[Forgeties79]

You’re making this a very strict, binary situation. Either you’re broke and every single dollar you are gifted or requesting is specifically earmarked for a specific thing, or you have all the money you need and you can’t ever receive a gift or request a donation. Nothing is that simplistic. Charities doing well and able to meet all their goals/payroll still keep asking for money because they need it to be sustained for more than months or a year.

Also at the end of the day, they are requesting donations to keep things operating. And that means paying people to run things, including CEOs. Every charity has somebody at the top, so your donations are also paying for those people as well. Unless you’re willing to say that all charities are therefore fraudulent because you are paying executive personnel, I just don’t see how this argument can really be put forth in earnest.

[galangalalgol]

It isn't binary in general but in this case it is. The money from mozilla corporation is close enough in quantity to the donations to make it so. Someone used the example of a medical bill and a ps5, but a better example is that you gave someone enough money to live on entirely, and the spent it on that as they said, but then took their income which could have paid for it and purchased something unnecessary. That wouldn't be ok. Furthermore one of the key pieces of research before donating to a charity is executive compensation. This level of compensation is a red flag in any non profit and means it won't be getting good ratings from the watchdog groups. That in turn hurts future donations.

[Forgeties79]

I gave the PS5 example fyi. Not that it changes anything it just felt weird to not clarify that haha

>but a better example is that you gave someone enough money to live on entirely, and the spent it on that as they said, but then took their income which could have paid for it and purchased something unnecessary.

But that doesn’t really apply here, it’s not parallel to the Mozilla/Firefox situation. And if we want to arbitrarily decide that all donations go to the CEO strictly because the numbers are kind of similar, why can’t I just say “no all that money goes towards staff and operating“? Why is my assertion any less valid? The numbers being similar doesn’t tell us anything about how it’s being spent. It’s just a coincidence.

I mean that’s what this all hinges on right? That the two numbers are kind of close? I can’t really think of how that tells us where the money is going. I don’t understand how that follows.

If donations 10x tomorrow can we no longer claim the donations are going into the CEO’s pocket? Or if they cut to 1/10th? Would we be having this conversation if either was currently the case?

[galangalalgol]

If it was the head of the foundation making that much no one would donate. It would be a matter of opportunity cost. A non profit that size would normally have a leader compensated on the level of a software developer. I'd argue the ceo of the corporation is also wildly overcompensated too, but that normally wouldn't be relevant to the decision to donate. The issue arises because of the close financial ties between the corporation and the foundation, which is enough to prevent my donations by itself, those ties though create the perception that fewer donations would increase transfers from the corporation. If that is in fact true, then the question of opportunity cost does extend to all of the corporations expenses and someone considering donating sgould absolutely consider all of those expenses and decide if they are doing good with their donation or not.

[Forgeties79]

> A non profit that size would normally have a leader compensated on the level of a software developer.

I hate doing the “source?” thing but this is not obviously the case to me so can you explain your reasoning here or show me a source?

[galangalalgol]

Charitynavigator and guidestar have datasets. Most websites have you pick a charity and then give you metrics to judge by rather than picking a metric. But they indicate for a non profit with revenue between 10-50M (mozilla foundation is 30M I think?) usually has compensation for the leader between 180k and 350k.

[Forgeties79]

Their annual revenue is over 10x that. It usually is around 500mill annually, currently down to around 400mill.