[kstrauser]

Zope, shudder. It had some amazing ideas and I built a reasonably large app on it, but I’d rather swallow my own tongue than work inside an application server again.

Django and its contemporaries, like TurboGears and Pylons, were a breath of fresh air.

[antod]

I liked Turbogears, but their approach of using "best in breed" libraries kinda burnt them as what that meant kept changing and leaving them behind.

[kstrauser]

It did. I think it was a great idea but other things skipped past it. I used Pyramid for a while and still appreciate it, but I can't imagine using it for my own new projects in a world where Flask and FastAPI and others exist.