[chronoc7394]

> That was so crystal clear ..

Yeah, people just don’t care. Myself included.

If you want to come to america, come here legally.

We all want a better life for ourselves and family. Illegal immigrants “dreamers” are no different in this regard.

Well, except the fact, they snuck into a different person’s home (country) while hundreds of thousands are waiting in the legal line.

[toomuchtodo]

I support your right to your position, but also support doing nothing as rural america infrastructure is rapidly evaporated, first healthcare and then whatever else remains (because what will when the closest medical provider is hours away). It’s the only way people who think this matters (“do it the legal way” even though it’s borderline impossible and extremely expensive) will then understand food supply infrastructure is more important than residency status of the only people who will do these jobs, but maybe not.

Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an immigrant too.

[bookofjoe]

Native Americans are also immigrants.

https://imgur.com/a/QVyCeRo

[toomuchtodo]

I stand corrected.

[bookofjoe]

u ROOL!

[toomuchtodo]

I appreciate you!

[bookofjoe]

https://imgur.com/a/3zCwTJW

We might be next door neighbors some day!

[bookofjoe]

Back at ya!

[wrs]

Well, I enjoy having food available, so I do care about the effect of throwing a bomb into the agricultural workforce without any apparent planning or regard for the consequences.

[nitwit005]

They, presumably, meant the side effects for the farm owners.

A lot of people voted to have their business ruined, and seem upset that it happened.

[jcranmer]

First, the plurality of illegal immigrants in the US are people who entered the country legally but have overstayed their visas. There's not a lot of sneaking into a different person's country to do work.

Second, there is no "legal line" for immigration. The closest you get is that some visas where conversion to a permanent residency (green card) has an annual quota that is so heavily oversubscribed that there is a permanent backlog which stretches, in the most extreme cases, to over 20 years long.

Third, even when you're dealing with the legal immigration processes, that process is a bureaucratic hell that I don't wish on anybody. If you don't have anybody willing to descend into paperwork hell for you, then there is no way for you to immigrate to the US.

[foogazi]

> Well, except the fact, they snuck into a different person’s home (country)

Not true - false analogy

> while hundreds of thousands are waiting in the legal line.

Again - the legal line is fake too

[acjohnson55]

It would be one thing if it were some kind of sacrifice to have immigrants, but if all the undocumented immigrants disappeared, we would be substantially worse off as a country. We would have a shrinking, aging population.

The system of rules they are breaking is kept slow, arbitrary, and complex so that we can benefit from their labor without granting all the rights of being US citizens. This is so that they can be illegally exploited, but also because of the anxieties Americans have about the dilution of their culture (and to some, their bloodlines) by other ethnicities.

We didn't always have a system like this. It evolved into what it is, and now people feel morally righteous about upholding laws their own ancestors never were subject to.

And not a small number of people who did navigate the system but want everyone to have to pay the same dues. It's reminiscent to me of the folks with 4 year engineering degrees feeling salty that other folks have gotten into the industry through bootcamps, for a fraction of the time and money.

[OkayPhysicist]

Okay, so let's make it a lot easier to immigrate legally. Except that's not what the Right is doing at the moment. They're simultaneously attacking legal, "the right way" immigration, and illegal immigration, because they don't care about "fair and legal" anything, they're just racist.

[Ucalegon]

This is just ignorant to how Congress has dropped the ball when it comes to funding a functional immigration system which provides for a speedy process. It is almost as if there is an economic interest to keep labor cheap via undocumented workers which is not alleviated at all through these raids, but does increase costs while undermining the US economy.

[cinntaile]

People care about their wallets though and this whole situation isn't exactly fattening them.

[2muchcoffeeman]

Depends on the wallet …

[beej71]

It'll be interesting to see how this "screw the farmers" tactic plays out in the midterms.

[jfengel]

I'm betting it'll turn out pretty well.

There aren't all that many farmers. Americans love the idea of them, but they aren't actually a significant voting bloc. If they had been, we'd have had a more realistic position on migrant farm workers. Any complaints the farmers may have will be drowned out by the sound of how happy people are with the raids.

Those farmers are mostly in deep-red districts. Even if they're unhappy, they're not going to vote for the Democrat -- if there's even one on the ticket. The few who cross party lines won't suffice to to change the outcome in the district.

For the rest of the country... if it results in higher food prices, that might make a difference. Though perhaps less than you'd think. People's perceptions of inflation are only loosely correlated with the actual cost of things. Inflation of "only" 5% doesn't result in massive sticker shock, by itself. It's filtered through people's expectations. If people are generally happy, even substantial inflation will be passed off as merely trying times (for which we must double down on our bootstraps). If people are generally unhappy, it's easy to single out some specific item that has gone up in price and make it the be-all and end-all of consumer budgets.

The balance is close enough that at least one house will likely turn next November. But I've seen nothing to suggest it will be any kind of landslide. It's just enough to nudge a few 51-49 districts to 49-51 instead.