[sofixa]

> Your basic hackernews believes that e.g. Google is out there selling all your personal information

To add to this, any mention of "telemetry" is taken to mean your PII being taken by bad actors to abuse, instead of what it is in 99% of cases, which is usage statistics. (X% of our users use feature A, it merits investment). It can be both, but there's usually no place for differentiation, just pitchforks.

[ctoth]

> It can be both, but there's usually no place for differentiation

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 153,927,861 times, shame on me.

The place for differentiation, the place for "oh this is probably fine", the benefit of the doubt is, of course, lost.

Because someone (you? people shaped like you?) who misuse telemetry destroyed trust.

> It can be both

should instead be "it usually is both and you the user have no way to know anyway."

[mvieira38]

The industry betrayed consumers' trust to the point where no project can be trusted to be mindful of data anymore. Even Proton Mail ended up ratting to the French, and that was just IP and session info, so who can we even trust to get "good telemetry"?

[sofixa]

> Even Proton Mail ended up ratting to the French,

Answering to court orders isn't "ratting". You either answer court orders or go to prison.

[aspenmayer]

Or they architect their system better so that they never collect the IP addresses to begin with. I think Privacy Pass and other things Mullvad is doing help in this area, but I am not aware of Proton working with them to implement anything like this. But Proton should do this, because it’s relevant to customers of Proton.

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/privacy-pass-the-new-pro...

Apparently not Privacy Pass related, will keep looking as I seem to remember that Mullvad was doing that implementation, but I may remember incorrectly.

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvad-has-partnered-wi...

[jeffbee]

I don't think it is common to refer to server logs as "telemetry".

[some_random]

Logs aren't telemetry and calling a response to a court order "ratting out" is exactly the kind of behavior that makes people increasingly skeptical of privacy advocates.