[lazide]

What crimes did Abrego Garcia commit again? [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno]

His is not the only case, but is certainly a very obvious one - and that is what people are reacting too. Along with the rhetoric from the current administration that makes it plainly obvious that actual illegal behavior is neither required, not even necessarily desired, to deport someone.

Like Trump’s threats against Rosie O’Donnell for what should be straightforward protected political speech. [https://time.com/7301997/trump-threat-us-citizenship-revoke-...]

The very public behavior and words of the current administration is extremely unhinged on this topic, and appears to have nothing to do with actual purposes you’re claiming it does.

[timr]

I made it very clear that I don't support everything our administration is doing.

[lazide]

You might want to re-read your comment again, because you definitely explicitly said that people being deported were being deported because they did something illegal. Full Stop.

I provided two high profile and clear examples where that is either 1) unlikely, or 2) definitely not the case, and actually absurd in context, because she is a born US citizen, and the threats the US President is leveling at her are clearly not even close to legal.

Which you continue to ignore. And which even appear to be headline examples the administration is not only creating, but persisting in making very public.

In that context, how can anyone reasonably assume that the other, less high profile, cases are being done ‘correctly’?

[drcongo]

> Can we please remember that the people who are being deported did, in fact, break the law?

[timr]

Fixating on a specific example that has become a cause celèbre is not a counterargument to what I said.

Even in the Garcia case, there's no dispute that the man is/was here illegally. Everything revolves around a secondary debate regarding the temporary suspension of deportation.

[lazide]

He was here legally.

“He gained legal permission to remain in the United States and established a life here. But in March of 2025, Mr. Abrego Garcia would find himself unlawfully deported and detained in a Salvadoran prison with the very gang members he had fled.” [https://www.gwlr.org/kilmar-abrego-garcia/]

A Immigration Judge had reviewed his situation and given him protected status. Which the Trump admin willfully ignored.

I’m not focusing on a specific example to hide the truth - I’m focusing on a clear, very public, example where the Trump admin itself is making a clear example that they’ll do everything in their (significant) power to do exactly what you are saying they won’t be doing.

And which you keep refusing to acknowledge.

[timr]

From the article you posted:

"Mr Abrego Garcia has acknowledged entering the US illegally in 2012, according to court documents" [1]

He was currently here legally, only in the sense that a court had previously suspended his deportation.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

[lazide]

So we both agree, he was deported while he was here legally.

And notably, the reason the gov’t has been giving for doing that deportation appears to not be the original illegal immigration offense you seem to think it is - but an apparently purely fictitious claim that he was in MS-13 (including a doctored photo of tattoos presented by Trump).

So to repeat, it seems quite obvious that ICE didn’t deport him because he was here illegally in the past (a Judge had prevented that previously), that he was here legally when he was deported (on a Immigration Judge’s orders even), and that the evidence presented as to why he was a member of MS-13 was clearly faked - but still presented as the truth by the President himself to the public. Ala ‘Iraq WMD’.

And the second example is the President threatening to make a born and raised US citizen stateless and ‘deport them’, which is also blatantly illegal eh? Constitutionally, that isn’t even supposed to be a thing.

The LACK of concern here is what appears to be unjustified. Are there probably completely normal and legally justified deportations still going on? I certainly hope so! But the concern here is that the President (ICE’s boss) is sending a very clear message that it is not only not required, but apparently undesirable, that these deportations be legal.