| I still think the separate UI(-flow) is worthwhile, but I guess I will die on this hill. Not sure about the history, I think I used the search-functionality pre-2020, as it is, but maybe it was a button back then. > re. tabbar Yes, I have that open permanently, it is an option in the normal settings. I don't like the UI to yank around and I will have another tab open anyways. I think I would accept getting rid of the search bar, when I get a button instead and the bar is ripped out entirely, like you suggest in the sibling comment. > You can't search and filter on the same tab Yes you can, that's what I claim. You convert the search results into a list and then you can use the filter as always. This is kind of the point, why I object to you converting the filter bar into a search bar: Because the filter doesn't work on any physical existing folder, it works on whatever happens to be in the current list, even if that are search results or a conversation view. Changing that to work on other not displayed folders will be very inconsistent, because that is a different functionality. THIS is my distinction between filtering and searching. A filter won't come up with random different messages from somewhere-else, it only works on the already closed set of selected messages. > everything people write me is... gigantic to say at least You know you can press C--, right ? > And yes, literally 30% of the screen is not displaying anything useful Yeah, after running the numbers I am more convinced why you want to get rid of the search-bar. Maybe I have stockholm syndrome . :-) This is sadly a general trend, but I get used to it. Recently I started scaling the other way, making everything smaller then I have pixels, but this makes everything very blurry and text hard to read, since it gets smaller than a pixel. But still in this case I think it is useful to have that bar, and it wouldn't yield any space, since we won't get rid of that bar entirely, it will be completely empty besides that "hamburger" menu. When TB devs would be sane to get rid of that bar, they could keep the search bar somewhere else (like v102). > And in my opinion the current design isn't good for regular Joe. I think I always need to enable the filter pane, when I want to use it, so it is only there when I really intend to filter, it wouldn't cause confusion when searching, because it is not there most of the time. But maybe the average user doesn't restarts programs all that often. > https://ibb.co/WWFt3mnd Wait did you crop the search bar out, or is there a way to disable it??? Do you have disabled the button descriptions or why do I have them and you don't? >>> Hi there was just a release where they deleted Oh, no. Guess I will eventually upgrade to ~v91 again and leave it like this and hope there won't be any vulnerabilities. I already did that once for Firefox 45, but websites got to much functionality to fast, so I needed to "downgrade" to a newer version eventually. I didn't knew it for long, since I continue using an existing installation, but do you know, how a new installation looks like? It basically only starts with the "hamburger" menu and a big screen of that thunderbird website. You basically need to bootstrap the UI, to get anything useful. First you enable the menubar and then you can start enabling all the other UI. Thanks for the discussion, I think we have maybe more to agree then I initially thought. Design seams to be more controversial then I considered. But what are all this "designers" even doing? Why do we get more and more pixels just to display white void? Maybe the designers will agree on some areas to always display whitespace and then we can remove pixels from some areas to reduce costs. /s I think you still didn't get my semantic argument about filtering vs. searching, but whatever. I think the filter bar is some of the subtil and consistent things in the UI, since it resides inside the listview and filters inside that listview. Anyways if you aren't yet tired of the discussion, what do you dislike about v102? > There are things in 102 UI which I don't like too. |
Oh, it's totes fine if this is configurable by the end user.
> Yes you can, that's what I claim. You convert the search results into a list and then you can use the filter as always.
I think there is some miscommunication: what I mean is what when you search anything, the search results are shown on a separate tab ie there is no way to search and stay on the main tab.
Sure, when you have the search results on a separate tab you can have the whole tab and place any usable controls there, precisely because this is a separate tab.
> Changing that to work on other not displayed folders will be very inconsistent
Yes, this is why I stress what if such functionality would be made it should clearly separate the filter and the search results, visually. Hell, even "N messages found in other folders" could be sufficient.
> You know you can press C--, right ?
Along with Ctrl+MWHEEL. It works but then the users starts to type with an additional empty line between the sentences and I need my vertical space back. Win11 with a forced taskbar at the screen bottom doesn't help.
> Maybe I have stockholm syndrome
Ahhah!
> since we won't get rid of that bar entirely, it will be completely empty besides that "hamburger" menu.
> Wait did you crop the search bar out, or is there a way to disable it???
Yep, this is the problem with the current UI iteration. You literally RMB -> Customize on it, remove the Search bar and... you are left with that empty space. And it is empty because this is a former toolbar. Without any buttons aside the hardcoded right-side hamburger. And this is why it so infuriating for me: sure "if I don't like the search bar I can just remove it", but it doesn't return back the place it uses!
NB: regarding the vertical toolbar - yes, you can but then it leaves the button on that former horizontal toolbar.
> Do you have disabled the button descriptions or why do I have them and you don't?
If you mean the quick filter buttons, then it does that automatically depending on the total TB windows width. On my 4k screen it shows the descriptions if the window width is > ~75% and on the laptop 1920 screen it doesn't show the descriptions even if maximized.
> I think you still didn't get my semantic argument about filtering vs. searching, but whatever.
I somewhat addressed this up there. I'm totally for having them both but I'm very against how TB's developers made it in the UI.
> what do you dislike about v102?
If you run it without the main menu then the tabs doesn't allow to grab the window to move it around, you need to specifically hunt for a 'tab-free' space. Sure, Firefox is the same - yet with TB this is somehow works way worse.
Two search boxes, search and filter actually but anyway, one on top of the other.
That useless vertical toolbar with a whopping 6 buttons, of which I need 1 (one).
Some other small inconveniences what I forgot about.