[astrobe_]

Yes, parent says "people leave" as if it is not a problem in itself; you lose the time it takes to train these people, and they probably take some knowledge about the products with them. Or maybe we are actually talking about commodity developers?

But I'm curious about how one prevents this dysfunctional culture.

[hinkley]

At my last job the people motivated to fix the clusterfuck were the first to leave. Except me because I’m a masochist apparently.

[john_the_writer]

Yep.. They/we get miffed, and twisted, stalled. Then they get dispassionate, and leave.

[wiseowise]

We’re talking about different scales.

At a big company “you” don’t lose anything. You only lose if you’re a fool trying to fix dysfunctional culture when you’re not even close to C level.

[scrubs]

You said that right! Absolutely. It's one thing to fix a mess in a culture that cares. It's darn near impossible to fix it if the culture around is hostile, indifferent, or any of the other 82 million other reasons organizations come up with to not care. In that situation you can end up being the pariah despite good intentions engineering and otherwise like satisfied customers.

[hinkley]

Change usually has to come from the top and the bottom and meet in the middle to really have a chance.

Little guy can't do it, and neither can speeches from the bosses.