[lucyjojo]

there's no such thing as generic "jvm builds" as far as i understand though. jvm is the target, it's like saying x64 builds are complex. maybe you re thinking of ant or maven or gradle? there are plenty others.

you can build basic java with "javac myfile.java". done.

each jvm language has its own build tools and some build tools cover jvm languages in between others.

[bitcrshr]

i think you’re right, though i think i was thinking about about this at a higher level. i more meant that the languages in the JVM ecosystem I have experience with (java, kotlin, and scala) have all given me similar unpleasant experiences building them. same tools too, though you probably wouldn’t use sbt for non-scala projects even though you could.

the main pain points for me are dependencies, packaging, and configuration. best i can tell, those pains are shared between anything that targets JVM, especially those that want to have good interop.