[arandomusername]

Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024.

Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?

> is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet.

Like what?

> That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss it says a lot about your intellectual honesty on the topic.

Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship. I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

[GuinansEyebrows]

> Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas?

i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain

> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

[arandomusername]

> i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain

Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners.

> which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

And who decides what views are antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed? Is capitalism worthless greed? Trans can be considered harmful by some. Communism/Socialism is considered harmful by others. None of those should be banned.

To be specific, one view that gets you banned is talking about the overwhelming influence that "Israel" has over United States, media, news and politics/government.

[GuinansEyebrows]

> Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners.

i'm finding it hard not to respond glibly here. are you familiar with the history of slavery in america? or, perhaps, the history of apartheid in south africa? the point you're trying to make here does not stand.

> Is capitalism worthless greed?

i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess

> Trans can be considered harmful by some

that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.

[arandomusername]

How are you comparing H1-B visas to slavery? Completely dishonest comparing work visas to forced slavery.

> i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess

So do you see now why free speech is important, and that censoring content under vague labels like "harmful" or "worthless greed" isn't actually good, since a pro capitalist government can consider your statements as such?

> that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.

Bait how? Current US administration considers it harmful. Conservatives consider it harmful. The average person few decades considered it harmful.

[root_axis]

> Elon is not far right by any metric.

He's obviously far right and everyone knows this, it's not worth my time to argue the point. Funny coming from someone throwing out insults like "delusional".

> Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?

The two do not contradict each other. We're on HN, everyone understands the financial dynamics that underpin Elon's support for Indian immigration, none of that precludes him from racism. Your reasoning is even weaker than "the black friend" defense.

> Like what?

There are many examples. Google "you have said the actual truth" for one. I won't do further research on your behalf since you don't really care.

> Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship

In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.

> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants. It seems to me that you're just dismissing it because it aligns with your biases.

[arandomusername]

Elon is not far right. It's just a label thrown at people as an attempt to invalidate their views rather than confronting the views themselves.

Ah yeah, he's so racist that he wants millions of foreigners in his country. It makes absolute no sense. You also haven't even provided any reasoning for him being racist.

> Google "you have said the actual truth" for one

That one is actual truth btw. But of course, in true "Nazi" fashion, he did an apology tour in Israel and in auswitzch.

It's funny how the claims of nazi links is always far reaching at straws. Oh he replied "you have said the actual truth" to someone on twitter talking about white hatred. Or he did a "nazi salute" while saying my heart goes out to you! Always nothing of substance. Nothing he does is pro 'nazi'. Importing millions of foreigners as a nazi is like being a jewish nazi btw. Goes completely against the ideaology.

I don't like elon musk but calling him racist/a nazi is just completely wrong.

> In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.

No, I care about censoring people's views and opinions and not censoring links to other platforms. If you can't see the difference then you are being dishonest.

> And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants

No it doesn't regularly silence critics. Sometimes he will temporarily ban someone in his tantrum. Like I said, not perfect, but far better than any other mainstream social media. Regular stuff on twitter would get you insta banned elsewhere.

[root_axis]

Believe what you like - Elon's right-wing political agenda is well documented and well known, even among the right wing.

It's similar regarding his endorsing antisemitism and racism. However, I understand that people on the right don't believe anything is racist or antisemitic unless it's something the Democrats are doing or saying, so I can at least accept that as the standard talking point.

It's not surprising that you also believe what is unequivocally a Nazi salute is "my heart goes out to you". I know you don't agree, but there's no discussion to be had about what is clearly apparent to the naked eye.

As far as the censorship goes, just google something like "elon musk silences critics" for many examples. You can save yourself the time to explain why it's all fake news and lies, I get it, but even some right-wingers have faced censorship from Elon, funny how even they suddenly agree with all the crazy liars when the leopard bites their face.

Anyway, we're operating in a fundamentally different reality. No point in discussing this further, but feel free to reply and I will read it. Have a great day.