[ricksunny]

In context of possible early Peruvian civilizations, definitely don't read the below; it's obviously an undersubstantiated pseudoscientific rabbit-hole not worth your curiosity and that your productive workday can not afford.

https://tridactyls.org/

(maintained by one Gonzalo Chavez https://x.com/gchavez101 )

[TSiege]

This is pseudoscience nonsense spread by some huckster and it's not worth anyones time and is disrespectful to the people of Peru. It's a modern hoax

> "They're not extraterrestrials. They're dolls made from animal bones from this planet joined together with modern synthetic glue," said Flavio Estrada, an archeologist with Peru's Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences. "It's totally a made-up story," Estrada added.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/scientists-assert-ali...

[Rumudiez]

> Joshua McDowell said: 'The bodies studied by Estrada were not related to any specimen that we have studied. They were folk dolls made to look like tridactyls confiscated at the airport.

[an0malous]

The dolls in that article were confiscated in the mail and are made for tourists. The creator of those dolls has explained this already, and they are unrelated to the bodies discovered near Ica.

Here’s an X-ray comparison between the two where it’s very obvious that there’s a difference between the modern dolls and the archaeological discoveries:

https://x.com/_stranger357/status/1805272924640682036

Even if you’re incredulous that these bodies were living creatures, no one disputes their carbon dating of 500-1500 years old and this has been confirmed by multiple labs. It’s not possible to construct bodies from biological material that is that old, so if they were constructed it would have to have been done by ancient Peruvians. This begs the question of why ancient Peruvians were making constructions of beings that look remarkably similar to modern aliens as described by UFO experiencers:

https://x.com/_stranger357/status/1804973689567326435

The archaeological discoveries are being studied by the University of Ica and other South American scientists across many disciplines. The South American cultures also have a long history of depicting tridactyl beings in their artworks, there are hundreds of examples but here’s one:

https://x.com/_stranger357/status/1789875845542076808

So it’s really quite ridiculous to suggest this is disrespectful to Peruvians. Their own culture describes these creatures, and their scientists are the ones promoting the authenticity of the bodies. You’re just propagating ignorance.

Skepticism has turned into a religion, the rational perspective here is that we have a genuine mystery that needs further investigation.

[Aloisius]

Show me a peer reviewed paper about these mummies.

It is hard not to be skeptical when all the evidence appears to come from the person who "discovered" them and who has a long documented history of hoaxes from a skinned monkey that was claimed to be an alien to epoxied bat remains with eyes painted with phosphorescent paint which was claimed to be a "demon fairy."

[an0malous]

Jaime Maussan did not discover them, a Peruvian grave robber and French explorer did.

There is no conclusive peer reviewed paper, but just because something that would be the greatest and most controversial discovery in the history of mankind hasn’t met the highest standard of evidence yet doesn’t mean it’s false. I’m arguing against the flippant dismissal of this story, I’m not against reasonable skepticism and further investigation.

[Aloisius]

Looking up the grave robber, Leandro Benedicto Rivera Sarmiento aka Mario, brings up some very interesting articles.

At least according to this news article, Peruvian authorities claim the remains and that were modified at St. Louis Gonzaga University with university officials using various animal parts and charges were made against the grave robber for, among other things, fraud.

https://elbuho.pe/2023/07/ica-fiscalia-incautara-falsas-momi...

[dunefox]

You're linking to random twitter posts, with one of them mentioning a random reddit user with "throwaway" in his name, but "Skepticism has turned into a religion"? Please link to any credible source, just one.

[an0malous]

Here is the breast plate depicting a tridactyl being from the “random Reddit user”:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Colombia,_quimbaya,_...

Here is a website with the carbon dating reports from multiple reputable paleo labs, it includes the PDFs from the labs themselves with their names and letterhead: https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/results-analysis-nasca-...

Here is a 2023 hearing where dozens of South American scientists across various relevant specialties present their findings and argue for the bodies’ authenticity: https://youtu.be/MwZkXwuMdsw

Here is the first 2018 hearing conducted by the Peruvian Congress where their scientists concluded the bodies are authentic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xN41immWE

[Aloisius]

> Here is the breast plate depicting a tridactyl being

Ok, ignoring the fact that various cultures drew all sorts of things from lion-headed people to feathered dragons so someone drawing little more than a stick figure hardly means it's real, but that could easily be a three toed sloth which have three very long claws on their hands and feet.

Never mind that the Nazca lived like 1500 miles away from the Quimbaya.

> Here is a website with the carbon dating reports

That shows a large difference in age between body parts from one of the mummies. In one of the reports, it shows a 6000 year age cap between the skin and the bone.

One DNA analysis says it contains DNA from multiple humans and that there isn't evidence the hand and left foot from the same mummy belong to the same person.

This all screams hoax. It looks as if someone stitched together multiple mummies.

> 2018 hearing conducted by the Peruvian Congress where their scientists

One of the two only actual scientists, Jose de la Cruz Rios Lopez, published a paper saying the skull of one of them likely from a llama: https://www.iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007...

[an0malous]

Jose de la Cruz believes they are authentic bodies, he is in both of the hearings I linked to. He’s explained that he wrote the paper considering both perspectives because he would not have been able to get it published otherwise. The topic of the paper is an analysis method, not the authenticity of the bodies. From the paper itself:

> They are biological in nature. At the available resolution of the CT-scanning, no manipulation of Josephina’s skull can be detected. The density of the face bones matches very well the density of the rest of the skull. No seams with glues, etc. are obvious, and the whole skull forms one unit.

> Based on the above, if one is convinced that the finds constitute a fabrication, one has to admit at the same time that the finds are constructions of very high quality and wonder how these were produced hundreds of year ago (based on the C14 test), or even today, with primitive technology and poor means available to huaqueros, the tomb raiders of Peru.

[mistrial9]

on the other hand, I enjoyed "The Lost World" adventure fantasy book quite a lot as a kid, and now it seems there is science for certain dinosaur era creatures in some places.. so maybe fantastic nonsense has a place in a spectrum, as long as it is identified as "speculative" or whatever