[Svip]

Yes; it's obvious you include the full context:

> Did you know there's already a special developer's edition? No web designer is building on Firefox first any more. We're lucky if they even test on it. All the functionality attached to Firefox's "Browser tools" sub-menu should be unceremoniously ripped out, banished to the developer's edition.

Though, it would be more plain, if they wrote "could" instead of "should".

[throw123xz]

What's the benefit for Firefox and its users if dev tools are removed from stable Firefox and "banished" to the Developer Edition?

Dev tools are part of all browsers. Even Safari, which tries to keep things very simple, ships dev tools on the stable version. I really don't see the point in removing them.

[lokar]

I have dealt with site outages where we have support talk customers through using the debug tools to help gather information.

They are very good to have available to everyone.

[baobun]

"Safety".

The thinking is that users are a danger to themselves and will be tricked by threat actors to add some CA cert to the trust store, paste commands into the js console, or download and sideload malicious extensions no matter what controls are in place so therefore these possibilities must be removed.

[jimjimwii]

Those same users will be tricked into downloading the "secure bowser" which has these tools. This is a nonsensical argument.

To this day, firefox is still the only browser that prevents its users from running custom extensions without Mozilla's blessing, likely motivated by the same garbage argument.

I have very little hope for Mozilla at this point and sincerely hope that they fail soon so that better open source browsers can take its place.

[The_SamminAter]

No, you can. In regular Firefox (without doing any shenanigans) the extension will be installed for the session (until the browser is closed), but Firefox Developer Edition lets you just install and run unsigned/invalid extensions (which is very useful if you occasionally have to change your clock back to 2018 and don’t want to lose all extensions).

[eadmund]

Why would anyone want to install another browser to use as a developer?

What the computing world needs is less separation of users and developers. Developers use programs all day, every day. And users should be able to write programs any time they wish. One of the most commonly used pieces of software in the world is a programming system: Excel.

One of my problems with iOS is the implicit assumption that users will not and should not extend the systems they use.

[webstrand]

What a strange take. I'm arguably a web designer, though its only one of many hats I wear. I design for Firefox first and then patch the places where chrome/safari break. If dev tools were only present on developer edition, which tracks the unreleased beta version, I wouldn't actually be able to test on Firefox that regular people are using.

[Liquix]

multiple people working on projects with web UIs at my org daily drive firefox. the author's arguments come off as hotheaded and poorly researched.

[MrDresden]

Even with the whole contex this did not read very clear to me.