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by MichaelOldfield 347 days ago
a real computer science degree from a good school is a real engineering degree. And you can do a lot of things with it. Pivot quickly.

an "information technology" degree that teaches React and stuff is not engineering.

This is the last website I would imagine people complaining they can't buy a house.
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lupusreal 347 days ago
> an "information technology" degree that teaches React and stuff is not engineering.

Lol, is that really what you think I meant by real engineering? You have tunnel vision for computer tech.

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MichaelOldfield 347 days ago
i don't know cause there's a ton of nonsense here so explain what you meant. and also what not being able to buy a house means.
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vonneumannstan 347 days ago
>This is the last website I would imagine people complaining they can't buy a house.

Even Senior+ level SWEs at FAANG's in Silicon Valley have trouble buying homes there. The costs are absurd.

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MichaelOldfield 347 days ago
I guarantee you, it's harder in 90% of places in the world (accounting for buying power/price of real estate). You guys don't understand our privilege.

You can buy an f'ing house. In places like Ukraine people make $100/month and apartments are $50k(and I'm talking before the war). There, it's LITERALLY impossible.

What people here are describing is that things should be better, and I agree, but words matter.

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nine_k 347 days ago
Google tells us:

In 2021, the median annual salary for software engineers in Ukraine ranged from $30,000 to $48,175, depending on location and experience. Some specific figures include $30,000 in Kyiv, $29,000 in Lviv, and $24,000 in Kharkiv. Remote software engineers in Ukraine had a median salary of $48,175.

It's quite below the EU median, but definitely not $100 a day.

BTW $100 a day is $12.50 a hour, which is more than the federal minimum wage in the US ($7.50 or so), and only $4 below California's minimum wage, $16.50.

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vonneumannstan 339 days ago
I'm sorry but who is out of touch here?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1460-Latham-St-Mountain-V...

$1.6M 894 sqft 2b1ba

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4609-E-Mountain-View-Dr-S...

$1.1M 930 sqft 3b3ba

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1763-Fordham-Way-Mountain...

$3.5M 1527 sqft 3b2ba

That last one would be considered a small starter home in my MCOL city and is literally 10x the cost for 300 less sqft of my current home. It's a total joke.

2 FTE Sr SWEs at Google would struggle to even get the downpayment for that last one. The mortgage is like 80% of their after tax salary.

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