[sublinear]

I completely disagree, but your experience may vary. I am not trying to take away from that.

I am merely saying that maybe there should be a stronger discussion than just dismissing engineers as mere "thing-doers". I also accept that there are many people here who are exactly that, and I and they should find it shameful.

We can't control that, but maybe we should try harder to do instead of being lazy and assuming market forces are the boss... maybe we are the boss (we are).

[prinny_]

I have worked as an engineer on a product that didn't have a dedicated product lead and it was extremely hard to deliver new features without understanding the complex business side of things. Working without a dedicated product person to explain the business sounds hell to me.

[whstl]

The argument here is that we should shouldn't isolate engineers and dismiss them mere thing-doers.

Having someone to discuss the business with engineers is important, that's clearly not the thing being criticised here.