[saagarjha]

Google had the same "no layoffs" vibe too, and they paid better. Turns out that everyone is willing to do layoffs.

[JKCalhoun]

Still waiting for the Apple shoe to drop. Has Apple just not been as expansionist as these other companies? Or is it still coming?

[geodel]

They just didn't hire a lot like other companies. No cloud or AI bandwagon with tons of hiring and then later finding no work recently hired folks. Also work conditions were more traditional and stiff compared to pure software play companies so lot of people weren't falling over each other to get job at Apple.

Also Apple is good at lot of outsourced work for long time compared to many other companies. So they don't tons of non-core software stuff in-house. In that matter they are more like typical Fortune 500 companies than SV company.

[mrheosuper]

maybe that's why their AI/Assistant suck

[geodel]

LOL. Could be. But why then Xcode sucks. Surely there is no shortage of Xcode engineers there.

[saagarjha]

Guess what they have a shortage of.

[Spartan-S63]

Apple's headcount grew at a much slower pace during COVID/ZIRP in comparison to other FAANG/MANGA companies, so they're less likely to cut full time roles. Contractors have been cut, but there are many fewer guarantees when a contractor rather than a W-2 employee.

[m463]

My impression is that apple seems to have loads and loads of disposable contract workers. Does apple actually hire that much?

[nemomarx]

Apple is famous for keeping a huge war chest and not reinvesting it, right?

[robotnikman]

I know they were when Jobs was still in charge, not sure if it has been invested elsewhere since then

[saagarjha]

Apple decided it wanted to be fashionably late to AI so I assume it will also be fashionably late to layoffs too.