[leakycap]

> If you disagree with the assertion that people generally have an easier time understanding language (correctly or not) than producing it, that's one thing and that's fine.

I disagree with the assertion that a person should rely on an LLM as part of their ability to publish in a language they don't understand well enough themselves to complete without involving a word machine.

> Digging into each others' backgrounds is not this.

I spoke from experience and it was then skewered by someone cosplaying the duolingo owl on the internet. You can take it up with them if you have an issue.

> And all this is completely ignoring how even the native language output one produces can be just straight up wrong sometimes, and not faithful to intentions.

How does the inability you point out of even a native speaker to clearly and effectively communicate sometimes not simply make it more obvious that a person less familiar with the language should involve a person who is?

[perching_aix]

> How does the inability you point out (...) not simply make it more obvious that a person less familiar with the language should involve a person who is?

I think that's a perfectly obvious point that the person you were replying to, you, and me, are all on board with and have been throughout. Inviting their or your attention to this was not the purpose of that sentence.

> I spoke from experience

Great.

> and it was then skewered by someone cosplaying the duolingo owl on the internet. You can take it up with them if you have an issue.

But my issue was/is with you. I wanted you to stop engaging in the use of combative and emotionally charged language. I understand that you feel justified in doing so, but nevertheless, I'm asking you to please stop. It dilutes your points, and makes it significantly harder to engage them. I further don't think you guys were disagreeing nearly hard enough to justify it, but that's really not my place to say in the end.

> I disagree with the assertion that a person should rely on an LLM as part of their ability to publish in a language they don't understand well enough themselves to complete without involving a word machine.

Thanks for clarifying - it genuinely looked like you were disagreeing with what I mentioned too.

[leakycap]

> But my issue was/is with you. I wanted you to stop engaging in the use of combative and emotionally charged language.

You seem very intelligent, I truly believe your time and energy would be better spent doing literally anything else than providing me feedback on my commenting etiquette. Please, I implore you to do more with your time that will provide value! You genuinely seem smart.

(See how that felt? That's the effectiveness of telling someone on the internet you want them to behave differently. It's really pointless.)

[perching_aix]

> See how that felt? That's the effectiveness of telling someone on the internet you want them to behave differently. It's really pointless.

I mean, I think this was pretty alright? I appreciate the advice too, and even generally agree with it. This was just my extremely poor attempt at deescalation, because I thought it might work out nevertheless.