[gorkish]

NVMe NAS is completely and totally pointless with such crap connectivity.

What in the WORLD is preventing these systems from getting at least 10gbps interfaces? I have been waiting for years and years and years and years and the only thing on the market for small systems with good networking is weird stuff that you have to email Qotom to order direct from China and _ONE_ system from Minisforum.

I'm beginning to think there is some sort of conspiracy to not allow anything smaller than a full size ATX desktop to have anything faster than 2.5gbps NICs. (10gbps nics that plug into NVMe slots are not the solution.)

[9x39]

>What in the WORLD is preventing these systems from getting at least 10gbps interfaces?

Price and price. Like another commenter said, there is at least one 10Gbe mini NAS out there, but it's several times more expensive.

What's the use case for the 10GbE? Is ~200MB/sec not enough?

I think the segment for these units is low price, small size, shared connectivity. The kind of thing you tuck away in your house invisibly and silently, or throw in a bag to travel with if you have a few laptops that need shared storage. People with high performance needs probably already have fast nvme local storage is probably the thinking.

[gorkish]

> What's the use case for the 10GbE? Is ~200MB/sec not enough?

Yes; its far from close enough. My litmus test for consumers is, can they put their video files on network storage and work with them? And with modern cellphone video, the answer is no it is not convenient to do that. Consumer networking is in a tarpit. Business grade systems have networking that is three orders of magnitude faster; there is no other component between systems that are that dissimilar in performance, not even GPUs.

[wpm]

> What's the use case for the 10GbE? Is ~200MB/sec not enough?

When I'm talking to an array of NVMe? No where near enough, not when each drive could do 1000MB/s of sequential writes without breaking a sweat.

[mrheosuper]

These nas use nvme because it's small and low power, not because it's fast.

[windowsrookie]

You can order the Mac mini with 10gbps networking and it has 3 thunderbolt 4 ports if you need more. Plus it has an internal power supply making it smaller than most of these mini PCs.

[geerlingguy]

That's what I'm running as my main desktop at home, and I have an external 2TB TB5 SSD, which gives me 3 GB/sec.

If I could get the same unit for like $299 I'd run it like that for my NAS too, as long as I could run a full backup to another device (and a 3rd on the cloud with Glacier of course).

[zerd]

It's annoying, around 10 years ago 10gbps was just starting to become more and more standard on bigger NAS, and 10gbps switches were starting to get cheaper, but then 2.5GbE came out and they all switched to that.

[atmanactive]

That's because 10GbE tech is not there yet. Everything overheats and drops-out all the time, while 2.5GbE just works. In several years from now, this will all change, of course.

[gorkish]

10GbaseT and SFP+ DAC are a world apart. The latter is now extremely power efficient. But even modern 10GbaseT parts are considerably improved

[wpm]

Speak for yourself. I have AQC cards in a PC and a Mac, Intel gear in my servers, and I can easily sustain full speed.

[irusensei]

The SFP+ transceivers are hot and I mean literally.

[lmz]

Not many people have fiber at home. Copper 10gig is power hungry and demands good cabling.

[toast0]

> Copper 10gig is power hungry and demands good cabling.

Power hungry yes, good cabling maybe?

I run 10G-Base-T on two Cat5e runs in my house that were installed circa 2001. I wasn't sure it would work, but it works fine. The spec is for 100 meter cable in dense conduit. Most home environments with twisted pair in the wall don't have runs that long or very dense cabling runs, so 10g can often work. Cat3 runs probably not worth trying at 10G, but I've run 1G over a small section of cat3 because that's what was underground already.

I don't do much that really needs 10G, but I do have a 1G symmetric connection and I can put my NAT on a single 10G physical connection and also put my backup NAT router in a different location with only one cable run there... thr NAT routers also do NAS and backup duty, so I can have a little bit of physical separation between them plus I can reboot one at a time without losing NAT.

Economical consumer oriented 10g is coming soon, lots of announcements recently and reasonableish products on aliexpress. All of my current 10G NICs are used enterprise stuff, and the switches are used high end (fairly loud) SMB. I'm looking forward to getting a few more ports in the not too distant future.

[lmz]

I guess multi-Gig base-T (802.3bz) is the future for home networks. Degrading to 5Gbps because of poor link quality is better than just falling back to 1Gbps. The latter will probably just lead to support calls and returns for home-level equipment that advertises 10Gbps.

[PhilipRoman]

It especially sucks when even low end mini PCs have at least multiple 5Gbps USB ports, yet we are stuck with 1Gbps (or 2.5, if manufacturer is feeling generous) ethernet. Maybe IP over Thunderbolt will finally save us.

[CharlesW]

> What in the WORLD is preventing these systems from getting at least 10gbps interfaces?

They definitely exist, two examples with 10 GbE being the QNAP TBS-h574TX and the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro FS6712X.

[QuiEgo]

Consider the terramaster f8 ssd