[refurb]

You're not really arguing in good faith when your response is "Fuck. No."

> The EU is stricter with immigration than the US. But it does not use secret police and concentration camps.

You don't think the police in Europe sometimes hide the identity of their police from onlookers when required? I'm pretty sure they do.

Do you also think Europe doesn't detain people who are in their country illegally? I'm pretty sure they do. They are even creating "return hubs", which are basically detention centers outside their own country which hold immigrants until they can be returned to their home or a third country.

[pasc1878]

> You don't think the police in Europe sometimes hide the identity of their police from onlookers when required? I'm pretty sure they do.

Yes in the UK they do. However this is breaking the law and those who do this have been punished.

[ocschwar]

> You're not really arguing in good faith when your response is "Fuck. No."

If you don't already know that keeping the name & badge number visible is the most important part of proper policing, and established as such by the world's first police force and its founder, Robert Peel, there's no point arguing much of anything with you.

It's literally the difference between a police force and a Geheime Staat Polizei.

[refurb]

> If you don't already know that keeping the name & badge number visible is the most important part of proper policing

But clearly there are exceptions. You can even read about them on European police websites.

https://handbookgermany.de/en/police

"In particular, criminal police officers also work in "civilian" clothing and therefore are visually unrecognisable as the police force. They often have to hide their identity, for example, to observe people or to enforce arrest warrants."

[ocschwar]

RIght, because a detective going undercover to gather evidence means it's perfectly okay for masked thugs to pop out of unmarked vehicles and grab people off the streets.

Dude, WTF

[refurb]

Detectives are "masked thugs to pop out of unmarked vehicles and grab people off the streets".

You've never seen a takedown of street level drug dealers? Unmarked cars, plainclothes police, grab everyone off the street?

I'm really trying to understand what specifically you find objectionable. Is it the fact that ICE isn't in uniform? Or that they wear masks? Or that they arrest people?

[ocschwar]

> Detectives are "masked thugs to pop out of unmarked vehicles and grab people off the streets".

The moment they make an actual arrest (which is rare, since they prefer to maintain their cover), they identify and are held accountable for how they do it.

Something ICE is not doing.