[agumonkey]

I did too until I realized I wasn't ready for so much lispiness, too abstract for me right now.

[mattdeboard]

"too abstract" is not a phrase I'd think to associate with a lisp. It's all just data. If anything I'd expect people to say there's too little abstraction.

[agumonkey]

But the right amount of macro and alternative design can throw a noob off quite easily. Beside that I agree with you.