[FirmwareBurner]

>To me (and to most Europeans!), the economic stuff just doesn't matter as much

Then why did you move to make more money in the US? Why are many young Europeans moving to work abroad?

People who gaslight others for chasing money, are those who already have enough money and can't empathize with those wo do not.

>I had excellent cheap pasta on a beautiful plaza in Italy yesterday, I got there via 30 euro Ryanair flight

Cherry picking personal holiday travels isn't representative of anything in this topic. Also 30 Euro flights are not the norm everywhere. You need to live in the right country/city and get lucky.

[saubeidl]

It's just to illustrate a point regarding quality of life.

Experiences like these are just straight up impossible in the US. Believe me, I've tried. There's no nice Italian plazas anywhere and in most places in the country you wouldn't even wanna be sitting outside.

[nec4b]

Is it possible for you drive over the border to Mexico and have best Mexican food costing almost nothing. Can you fly to Caribbean or Hawaii over the weekend? Can you camp in Grand Canyon, Yosemite or Yellowstone? Your view is in no way representative of a typical European who cares a lot more about money then you. Money, which you ironically made in the states.

[FirmwareBurner]

Exactly He was being such a hypocrite with that pov.

[FirmwareBurner]

Touristic spots are taste dependent subjective, not indicative of objective quality of life metrics.

[saubeidl]

But Florence is a real city, where real people live. As is the city I live in and it, too, has plenty such spots.

There is very few places in the US where I would like to sit outside on a plaza and have my dinner - and that is indicative of social decay and a lack of focus on building pleasant public spaces.

[FirmwareBurner]

A lot of people don't care about having Italian plazas on daily basis, like my German ex-boss who just moved to the US, and probably also Italians who move abroad for jobs. You keep harping on about one point that matters to you personally but even you don't live in Italy. Why is that?

Europe also doesn't have grand canyons. I don't need to see a grand canyon every month though.

>- and that is indicative of social decay and a lack of focus on building pleasant public spaces.

Go to Frankfurt train station.

[saubeidl]

It is not I who keeps harping on about this point. I listed a whole number of points in the post you cherry-picked this one from.

Feel free to address the others instead!