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by dang 360 days ago
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Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44432526

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Is mark Zuckerberg systematically behind the curve on every hype?
> Is mark Zuckerberg systematically behind the curve on every hype?

Trend following with chutzpah, particulalry through acquisitions, has been a winning strategy for Zuckerberg and his shareholders.

He's just trying to figure out how to monetise your WhatsApp messages
In the "metaverse"
This in includes fashion and hairstyles it seems...
the idea of mark zuckerberg being at the helm of digital super-intelligence sickens me.
He spent $50B to be at the helm of the "Metaverse". Don't worry, we are safe.
the cringiest possible future
Better than Samuel Altman being at the helm.
Mark Zuckerberg hiring top AI researchers worries me more than Iran hiring nuclear scientists.
better than sam altman having them
Sam Altman is leading OpenAI out of the goodness of his heart. He told Congress he has zero equity or financial stake in OpenAI.
With luck, they'll vaporize billions of dollars on nothing of consequence.

If they come up with anything of consequence, we'll have an incredibly higher level of Facebook monitoring of our lives in all scopes. Also such a level of AI crap (info/disinfo in politics, crime, arts, etc.) that ironically in-person exchanges will be valued more highly than today. When everything you see on pixels is suspect, only the tangible can be trusted.

do you remember the chorus of people on HN two years ago who said that the next AI winter was already upon us?
Were they wrong? It's pretty undeniable that every model release since GPT-4 has been less impactful than the last.
im pretty sure that when the top companies are poaching leaders in AI for some of the largest payouts in history… we are not in an AI winter. so they were completely wrong. im guessing you are one of them.
Zuck has spent more on Metaverse than AI. A multi-trillion dollar company throwing a few billion at a problem means nothing. Show me the results, not the hype.
Bubbles are always the craziest right before they pop
Poor Sam Altman, 300B worth of trade secrets bought out from under him for a paltry few hundred million.
> Poor Sam Altman, 300B worth of trade secrets bought out from under him for a paltry few hundred million

Sorry, you don't lose people when you treat them well. Add to that Altman's penchant for organisational dysfunction and the (in part resulting) illiquidity of OpenAI's employees' equity-not-equity and this makes a lot of sense. Broadly, it's good for the American AI ecosystem for this competition for talent to exist.

In retrospect, I wonder if the original ethos of the non-profit structure of OpenAI was a scam from the get go, or just woefully naive. And to emphasize, I'm not talking just about Altman.

That is, when you create this cutting edge, powerful tech, it turns out that people are willing to pay gobs of money for it. So if somehow OpenAI had managed to stay as a non-profit (let's pretend training didn't cost a bajillion dollars), they still would have lost all of their top engineers to deeper pockets if they didn't pursue an aggressive monetization strategy.

That's why I want to gag a little when I hear all this flowery language about how AI will cure all these diseases and be a huge boon to humanity. Let's get real - people are so hyped about this because they believe it will make them rich. And it most likely will, and to be clear, I don't blame them. The only thing I blame folks for is trying to wrap "I'd like to get rich" goals in moralistic BS.

It wasn't exactly a scam, it's just nobody thought it'd be worth real money that fast, so the transition from noble venture to cash grab happened faster than expected.
> wonder if the original ethos of the non-profit structure of OpenAI was a scam from the get go, or just woefully naive

Based on behaviour, it appears they didn't think they'd do anything impactful. When OpenAI accidentally created something important Altman immediately (a) actually got involved to (b) reverse course.

> if somehow OpenAI had managed to stay as a non-profit (let's pretend training didn't cost a bajillion dollars), they still would have lost all of their top engineers to deeper pockets if they didn't pursue an aggressive monetization strategy

I'm not so sure. OpenAI would have held a unique position as both first mover and moral arbiter. That's a powerful place to be, albeit not a position Silicon Valley is comfortable or competent in.

I'm also not sure pursuing monetisation requires a for-profit structure. That's more a function of the cost of training, though again, a licensing partnership with, I don't know, Microsoft, would alleviate that pressure without requiring giving up control.

Getting rich going good is better than just getting rich. People like both.

Which part are you skeptical about? that people also like to do good, or that AI can do good?

I'm skeptical that OpenAI was ever feasible as a nonprofit under it's original mission, which was:

> Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact.

As soon as the power of AI became apparent, everyone wanted (and in some ways, needed) to make bank. This would have been true even if the original training costs weren't so high.

Will the Superintelligence finally make the Metaverse profitable and popular?