[twitchard]

> What Turing was trying to do, is to isolate this "hard problem of consciousness" and separate it from easier problems we can actually answer.

Yes exactly. As a computer scientist this is a great thing to do, science is all about taking mushy concepts like "intelligence" and extracting simplified versions of them that are more tractable in technical settings. The trouble is, Turing doesn't seem to want to stop at merely arguing that forgetting about interior consciousness is useful for technical discussions -- he seems to think that interior consciousness shouldn't be important for philosophical or popular notions of thinking and intelligence, either, and that they should update to use something like his test.

So even if you updated the Turing Test for 2025 the church would probably still be writing "Antiqua et Nova" to remind people that -- yes, interior consciousness exists and is important and robot intelligence really isn't the same as human intelligence without it.

[alganet]

I think you misunderstood what I said.

I don't believe a 2025 version would solve the hard problem of consciousness, or even contribute meaningfully to solve it.

The way I see it, the church is using _an even older_ version of the same line of thought experiments.