[BanterTrouble]

Anything that takes control away from me I am not interested in. I am both legally and financially liable for anything the car does. I am also not trusting my life to some poorly maintained software written by someone in another country.

[LUmBULtERA]

Being legally and financially liable doesn't bring back the kid you ran over because you couldn't see them with your mirrors or turning your head...

[BanterTrouble]

Mandating driving aids (that often don't work properly) won't fix this problem either.

What does increase safety is better driver training. This has be ubiquitously proven BTW.

[LUmBULtERA]

You've had backup cameras often fail? You must be very unlucky. After many years of driving and riding in cars with backup cameras, I have never seen one not work, let alone "often" not work.

Where is the ubiquitously proven support for the assertion that backup cameras don't increase safety?

[BanterTrouble]

Deliberately re-framing an argument to force me to accept a conclusion, while misinterpreting what I said is disingenuous.

I've read several of your replies towards me and I can tell that you either unable or unwilling see my point of view. So there is no point in having a discussion with you.

[Dylan16807]

If you want to use "often don't work properly" as an argument, then people are allowed to challenge that argument.

I guess they shouldn't have assumed you were speaking from experience, but I don't think that's a big deal. That's not forcing you to accept any conclusion. If it happens "often" you should have examples and/or data. If you don't then maybe you should reconsider if it actually is "often".

And they directly asked for data that it doesn't increase safety.

That's not unwillingness to see your point of view. If you provide quality evidence, you can win them over.

[bumby]

Do you drive a fuel injected car or do you prefer the “control” of adjusting your carburetor?

Not being snarky, just pointing out we’re often guilty of picking and choosing rather than applying first principles.

[BanterTrouble]

That don't directly take control away from me.

I am specifically talking about things that take over control of the vehicle.

I've had lane assist fight me when trying to move lanes. I apparently wasn't turning the wheel enough and it thought I was drifting (I wasn't).

I've had another hire car refuse to move backwards without me putting it into reverse. It had anti-rollback measures. I didn't know what was going on. All my other cars would rollback (I drive manuals). Now I know technically you shouldn't coast backwards but it was maybe a foot.

[Sohcahtoa82]

> I've had lane assist fight me when trying to move lanes. I apparently wasn't turning the wheel enough and it thought I was drifting (I wasn't).

You're telling on yourself here. Use your turn signal and lane assist won't fight you.

[bumby]

>That don't directly take control away from me.

Sure it does. You can tune it to get better performance or fuel economy. (Tbf, you can do the same by fuel mapping your injectors, but it would probably void any warranty).

What you seem to be alluding to is that the automated features give you different performance than what you were expecting and you have little recourse. The same could be said for your fuel injectors.