[cebert]

> because of buttholes like Jeff Bezos actively monetizing IPv4 address space.

IPV4 addresses are finite and rapidly being depleted. What other solution do you have to manage demand of a finite resource other than charging for it?

[daneel_w]

My stance is that common connectivity shouldn't cost an additional $3.70 a month on top of already egregious traffic costs. The price per IP today is about $30. The lifetime of the investment is infinite and upkeep is in the grand scheme of things nothing. The markup profit is insane. It's a new behavior, pure usury, seizing an opportunity to profit on a crisis. To offer some contrast (without getting into the sizes of their respective turfs) Oracle doesn't charge a dime.

[xyzzyz]

We are in crisis precisely because nobody charged for IPv4 addresses in the past, and so overwhelming majority of those are wastefully allocated. What you want would exacerbate the crisis.

[daneel_w]

We're in this crisis because we failed to anticipate the explosive growth of the Internet. It took a bit into the 2000s until we stopped doling out generously oversized networks to everyone who asked. Vetting the need would've been the right requirement. Shutting the door for organizations with not enough money would've hampered progress.

[homebrewer]

Don't worry, we've learned nothing and will repeat the same mistake with IPv6:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42671847

https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/06/apnic_huawei_ipv6/

[xyzzyz]

Yes, and why did people ask for these oversized networks? That’s right, because addresses were free.

[daneel_w]

That's a depressingly shallow knee-jerk-y way of reasoning around something so fantastically open as the Internet... You're offering the deplorable solution of "let the money vote" instead of reason and restraint. The consequence if we had asked for money from the get-go would've been a corporate-ruled scenario where connectivity and Internet foothold were primarily in the hands of the businesses that had the most money. Smaller businesses, and non-profits in particular, would effectively have been shut out and innovation and growth in the Internet's most sensitive phase would have suffered greatly.

[strogonoff]

The world is not black and white, and paid service can easily coexist with subsidized service. There are many examples of “it costs you $XX but ask us if you need it badly” policies. The best varieties probably do some degree of vetting (because otherwise would slightly defeat the point or make it impractical, especially while LLMs are cheap enough that anyone can use one to write a convincing tear-jerker) and have objective criteria.

I haven’t thought enough to say whether it makes sense for specific cases like IP address allocation, though.

[xyzzyz]

The fact of the matter is that “let the money vote” works much better than alternatives. “Reason and restraint” is precisely how we got to where we are.