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by perching_aix 357 days ago
> Persistent media watermarking through the analog hole is a solved problem and has been for years. It's standard practice on films.

Can you expand on that a bit? Wikipedia's coverage on this seems mostly historical and copy protection focused.
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AlotOfReading 357 days ago
The basic idea is that you apply a very, very large amount of error correction to the tag and inject it into the media so that enough survives the severe geometric, color, and luminance distortions of a camcorder to recover the data out the other end. You then download the pirated cams and sue the theater.

There's a fair bit of public information out there on theoretical techniques (e.g. https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/71851), but I'm not deeply familiar with what's actually used in industry, for example by imatag.

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perching_aix 357 days ago
Interesting, and the paper is surprisingly accessible to read as well, thanks.

One critique I can lodge against this is that to me it reads like the security model in this scheme trusts the venue to not tamper with the projection equipment. This may not map well to everyday camera recording situations, where the camera owner / operator may have a vested interest and capability in tampering with the camera itself.

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AlotOfReading 357 days ago
There's a fair bit of protection for the projection cameras. They're actually always-connected devices that get streaming permissions from a remote server before starting a show, device roots of trust, tamper detection systems, and so on. The movie file is essentially encrypted at rest until showtime. Plus the techs are generally not that technically advanced, and theaters face the threat of lawsuits/never being allowed to show movies again if they breach their contractual obligations to reverse engineer the equipment. It's generally effective.

The point isn't to completely, 100% close the analog hole here (and at least one piracy group seems to have leaks of raw movie data despite all of this security), but it's effective at making compliance the least costly option for almost everyone involved worldwide. It's one of the major reasons we've seen a shift by pirate groups to preproduction leaks or alternative methods.

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