[thimabi]

> Personally my theory is that Gemini benefits from being able to train on Googles massive internal code base

But does Google actually train its models on its internal codebase? Considering that there’s always the risk of the models leaking proprietary information and security architecture details, I hardly believe they would run that risk.

[kridsdale3]

Googler here.

We have a second, isolated model that has trained on internal code. The public Gemini AFAIK has never seen that content. The lawyers would explode.

[blurrybird]

What model do your lawyers run on?

[thimabi]

Oh, you’re right, there are the legal issues as well.

Just out of curiosity, do you see much difference in quality between the isolated model and the public-facing ones?

[kridsdale3]

We actually only got the “2.5” version of the internal one a few days ago so I don’t have an opinion yet.

But when I had to choose between “2.0 with Google internal knowledge” and “2.5 that knows nothing” the latter was always superior.

The bitter lesson indeed.