[mattlondon]

FWIW I have a VW ID3. The specs in terms of range etc are largely the same as a similarly priced Mopel 3 standard range. Here is a comparison: https://ev-database.org/uk/side-by-side?i=2210,3186&h=a018a3... they're basically neck-and-neck apart from 0.60 times etc where tesla is slightly faster and better efficiency, but the VW gets slightly better range & bigger battery so it balances out. Both charge at max 175KW

At least in the UK, I've never had a problem with charging stations of payment yet - there are lots of stations (some now are "plug and charge" so you just plug and the payment is dealt with automatically, but those are currently rare but the rest pretty much all take contactless payments) and many now that are 350KW (which is way more than either my ID3 or the Tesla 3 can handle). Pretty much everyone now has settled on CCS as the "usb for cars" in Europe so that are no cable/adaptor issues to worry about.

The software on the ID.3 is ok. If you sit there for 20 minutes and fiddle with it yes it is not as smooth as using a modern smart-phone in terms of responsiveness. But really, 99% of the time all I am doing with it is changing the radio station or aircon for which it is totally fine. I've not used a tesla so cannot do a direct comparison.

[quonn]

> I have a VW ID3.

I have an ID4 so I can compare both.

> I've not used a tesla so cannot do a direct comparison.

That's all I need to know.

[rurp]

Well I've driven Tesla's many times as two of my immediate family members own one and I find the software absolutely terrible, it's the worst UX of any vehicle I've ever driven. The move to hide basic functionality, often safety related, in menus and non-standard places is terrible. On top of that they change the interfaces without warning and move things around. I've seen even the vehicle owners get stumped on how to do basic things like adjust the steering wheel position or set the windshield wipers correctly in the rain. Even Tesla's own online documentation was wrong the one time I went there after I was unable to figure out how to make a basic adjustment.

That company really loves form over functionality and mistakes gimmicks for features.

[prmoustache]

I've seen people doing trip comparisons with Tesla, Peugeot, VW, BMW and chinese EV crossing France between various cities.

All in all experience and complete trip time was more or less equal on all of them except for those who choose to use the cheapest charging network which host all its charging stations outside of highways.

Non-Tesla EV can charge on Tesla charging stations in EU [2] and Tesla charging stations are often located in unfriendly places with no commodities available such as toilets and take away food so very often non-Tesla networks offer a better experience.

All in all on lpng trips the choice of the vehicle doesn't seem to make a major difference past a minimal viable range. It is more about the charging network you choose to stick with and the potential app gymnastic you might be doing if you aren't sticking to one in particular. And the Tesla network doesn't seem to have in Europe the superiority it might have in th USA.