[tptacek]

You should publish the paper quietly here (I'm a Black Hat reviewer, FWIW) so people can see where you're coming from.

I know you've been on HN for awhile, and that you're doing interesting stuff; HN just has a really intense immune system against vendor-y stuff.

[moyix]

Yeah, it's been very strange being on the other side of that after 10 years in academia! But it's totally reasonable for people to be skeptical when there's a bunch of money sloshing around.

I'll see if I can get time to do a paper to accompany the BH talk. And hopefully the agent traces of individual vulns will also help.

[tptacek]

J'accuse! You were required to do a paper for BH anyways! :)

[moyix]

Wait a sec, I thought they were optional?

> White Paper/Slide Deck/Supporting Materials (optional)

> • If you have a completed white paper or draft, slide deck, or other supporting materials, you can optionally provide a link for review by the board.

> • Please note: Submission must be self-contained for evaluation, supporting materials are optional.

> • PDF or online viewable links are preferred, where no authentication/log-in is required.

(From the link on the BHUSA CFP page, which confusingly goes to the BH Asia doc: https://i.blackhat.com/Asia-25/BlackHat-Asia-2025-CFP-Prepar... )

[tptacek]

I think you're fine, most people don't take the paper bit seriously. It's not due until the end of July regardless (you don't need a paper to submit for the CFP).

[daeken]

The scramble to get your paper done in time is traditional! (And why my final paper for the onity lock hack ended up with an entire section I decided was better off left unsaid; woops)

[leenify]

Hmm, is that really true? I spoke at BH last year and was not required to submit a paper. And based on the briefings link, there surely isn't a paper link, only slides and tool.