[rafterydj]

"flippantly tossing words around devalues them and debases the conversation." Agreed- and that's exactly what you are doing with the word, "no."

Soldiers are murdering an entire population- or as many of them as they can, seemingly- for political purposes that desire that population to simply not exist anymore. To say that is _not_ a genocide devalues the meaning of the word.

[mcv]

They're not "murdering an entire population"; although many thousands of Palestinians have been killed, it's still a tiny percentage of the total population.

But it's not necessary to murder an entire population for it to count as genocide. Any attempt to destroy a people counts, including forced sterilization, re-education, mass deportations, etc.

But it's also clear that Israel has explicitly targeted civilians, help workers, journalists, refugee camps, food distribution, and I've even read about them shooting people hiding in churches. None of those are valid targets.

[mylons]

to say that is what is happening is completely disingenuous. seemingly something happened by the democratically elected government of Gaza on 10/7

[yibg]

A democratically elected government invaded Iraq and killed a lot of Iraqis.

If Iraq got some sort of super advanced technology that made them the superpower in the world, would they be justified if they:

- Started bombing US cities, including hospitals, schoolsetc and killing US civilians?

- Would they be justified in cutting off food and water supply to all of the US?

- Sniping kids and people waving white flags in the head?

[sir0010010]

You are missing that:

* Hamas keeps its missiles, arms and other military equipment inside or underneath schools and hospitals

* UNRWA was functioning as an arms dealer by putting arms inside of bags of flour or other food items

* Hamas generally has its fighters not wear uniform, but instead wear civilian clothes or even niqabs (where only the eyes are visible). Making it extremely difficult for the IDF to determine who is a combatant and who isn't- and guaranteeing mistakes will be made.

* Hamas also uses child soldiers or orders children to throw stones at IDF soldiers - again ensuring IDF soldiers have to always be afraid the person in front of them is going to kill them and that they have to make split second decisions on what to do about it

[yibg]

Ah yes, the human shield argument. Like the "tunnels" and graphics provided by the IDF. Convenient isn't? Every hospital, apartment block, school and refugee camp has hamas in them, so everything is fair game.

[mylons]

ya it's pretty FUCKED UP that HAMAS does that, and Iran funds it, isn't it? or do you think Israel just wants to slaughter people weaker than them because they can? if that was their aim why did they wait until 10/8 to start doing it? they could have done it any time in the last 30 years.

[garbagewoman]

Do you ever interrogate your own biases? do you tend to think of them as being justified and logically sound?

[dragonwriter]

> seemingly something happened by the democratically elected government of Gaza on 10/7

Gaza doesn't have a democratically elected government, and one of the reasons Palestine (of which Gaza is a region) does not have a democratically elected government is that Israel has exercised its power as an occupying power administering large parts of Palestine directly and controlling the rest indirectly to prevent elections which have been jointly agreed on by the two main factions.

And they’ve done that specifically to maintain the current violent and divided status quo, which they leverage as pretext to continue their long policy of genocide.

[ath3nd]

What happened on 10/7 was terrible but a terror attack doesn't make what Israel does to Palestine less of a genocide.

[dragonwriter]

There is a reason officials of both Hamas and Israel have been charged by the ICC.