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by whoknowsidont 361 days ago
>I personally am of the opinion that if using the bombs saved the lives of a few thousand (at least) American soldiers it was worth it.

You are an evil and stupid person.

>Japan planned to continue fighting, and the Japanese Army in particular was preparing the homeland to fight to the death.

No they didn't. They didn't want an unconditional surrender, they had sued for peace multiple times and it was ignored.

So instead of us negotiating with Japanese we completely destroyed two civilian cities to put them in their place.

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons."

- Adm. William Leahy, President Harry Truman’s chief military adviser

"First, the Japanese were ready to surrender, and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan."

- Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

"The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all."

- Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945

"The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. "

- Fleet Admiral William Halsey Jr., 1946

"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

- Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950

So we have the supreme allied commander, commander and chief of the pacific fleet, and the chief military advisor to Truman all on record saying the bomb was not necessary nor really saved American lives.

Then we have people like you on the internet saying otherwise, with no proof.

Really quite the contrast.

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Quotes aren’t an argument. Instead, write original thoughts. I’m sure it’s difficult since your contributions to this discussion are just rehashing quotes that you Google, but you’ll understand more about the war and the human condition by cracking open a few books. Really.

Anyway

Many people feel regret over various aspects of World War II, including veterans who only killed enemy soldiers in what was honorable combat against a violent and viscous enemy who attacked them. No reason to think military commanders wouldn’t also express regret over using destructive weapons, even if they would have made the same decision over again. There’s no moral difference between bombing a city and killing civilians and bombing a factory making ordinance and also killing citizens. You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of the nature of warfare, and in particular Total War. There are no innocents. Unsurprisingly, the West were the only powers that gave even the slightest damn about minimizing civilian casualties. Which is why we are sitting here talking about western actions because we are a moral people by and large. Nobody in the former USSR has any regrets over raping and murdering Germans.

Same commanders ordered many gruesome, albeit necessary military decisions that resulted in the deaths of soldiers, women, and children.

Interestingly you aren’t quoting those who express regret over any number of those other decisions. Why is that?

Find us some quotes of Japanese commanders that survived the war and their regret over their heinous and disgusting acts. If not maybe you can find some Chinese friends or Filipino colleagues (or others) who can enlighten you.

Truman did not regret using the bombs and would have done it again, and as he said “at the snap of my fingers”, despite being sorrowful for the death and destruction caused. His opinion matters more than anyone else’s since it was his decision. And, your random quoting of people like “nuke them all “ Curtis LeMay shows you don’t even know anything about who you are quoting.

QED.

>Quotes aren’t an argument. Instead, write original thoughts.

Nothing you've written is an argument or original lol; it's baseless conjecture. It's certainly as original as flat earth perspectives.

Just out of curiosity what do you think I should respond to in your post above? There's nothing affirmative. There's nothing to counter, I can't even being debate anything because it doesn't say _anything_ other than wild claims that are based on pure narrative.

>I’m sure it’s difficult since your contributions to this discussion are just rehashing quotes that you Google

All of your posts are well, well, well below just rehashing quotes on Google. Try a little bit harder if you want to even being to critique other people?

Please say something substantive and supportable by evidence. Anything at all.

> Just out of curiosity what do you think I should respond to in your post above?

That's for you to figure out. I've proven my point to my satisfaction.

The last thing I'll say is America rules, greatest country on earth. :)

For your reading and understanding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes?wprov=sfti...

It's pretty hard to come across as pathetic over text but you've somehow managed it lol.