[laserbeam]

Zed was the first editor that tempted me into using AI features. It felt solid in general and AI feels mostly like autocomplete in other editors (in terms of how much it's in your face). There's definitely a place for AI models and agents in code editors, and Zed makes me feel like it's not built around them, which is great! Zed feel like "Come to us, we are making a good fast editor that also has AI." while competition feel like "Come to us, we want AI that has an editor".

[mort96]

I'm genuinely happy it works for you. I just don't want AI in my text editor, even if you're happy with it.

[atonse]

I suspect you’ll be an extreme minority.

I won’t go near a code editor anymore without AI integrated deeply.

[mort96]

I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing "AI fatigue" as every single piece of software grows more and more useless "AI" features I don't want and which get in the way of doing what I actually want.

[jajko]

Nah, its the quiet majority, and AI posts on places like HN quickly create their own echo chambers with folks patting themselves and each other on their backs.

There is AI as a useful tool, maybe, which is at most few % of current hype. Most folks seem to end up babysitting it a lot to get something useful out of it. And then there is everything else which is mostly hype or narrow use cases. To proper typical senior managing a team I don't see much added value. It can help juniors churn out large chunks of the code but I haven't worked in 20 years in a place that values quantity of code and quick deliveries over quality.

Also very much depends on the business and specific company. In my banking mega corp, no AI is even allowed to be used even as I write it now, all popular sites are blocked and there are strict policies against. Couldn't care less, coding is such a small part of my work I don't want to lose this creative outlet by delegating it to something I need to triple check for bugs afterwards. Also with any new stuff I learn way more by implementing it myself rather than looking at pre-made code.

[mort96]

> Also very much depends on the business and specific company. In my banking mega corp, no AI is even allowed to be used

This is a huge thing tbh. I don't like these AI things in general so I wouldn't use them anyway, but I just can't imagine going to my clients and asking them, "Hey is it okay with you if I routinely upload all your code to these random American venture-backed start-ups?". And I really can't imagine just doing that behind their back. I couldn't really imagine doing that with an employer's code either.

Ideally I don't even use software where accidentally toggling the wrong checkbox in some settings screen results in automatically uploading client code to these American start-ups either. Now I won't pretend that my stance against AI is purely out of some principled cybersecurity concern, but it's definitely a factor.

[arcatech]

You can use local LLMs.

[lovedaddy]

Yep, I was on mailing list etc. Unsubscribed when they did the AI announcement. Its not for me.

[jauntywundrkind]

I strongly agree about the fatigue. I have extreme levels of concern, especially when the supposed top people are shooting their mouths off saying this stuff is doing material science, biochem, a million other things.

But all that annoying madness is distracting from how amazingly awesomely useful this stuff is. It's wild how many little quick projects I can kick out in a couple hours! Ideas just come out of my head with so much less fuss; when I don't like it I ask for something different.

My point is less to convince though about AI. I appreciate your starting sentiment here, but I really don't get the follow up?

> genuinely happy it works for you. I just don't want AI in my text editor, even if you're happy with it.

I don't see why it would bother you at all? There's a tiny little button in the status bar and a few scattered menu items that feel, to me, very easy to ignore.

It feels like someone being mad that their spreadsheet has I dunno, logarithms in it, but the person hates logarithms? It feels weird to opt in to caring against. I have a generalll abnner of thought which is "your anti-feature is not a feature", and this feels like one of those situations: i don't see why someone would cling to an editor not having a feature they don't use?

[dakiol]

And I suspect you are an extreme minority. Among senior and staff engineers I barely see them leaving behind emacs, vim and jetbrains… none of them with ai plug-ins.

[atonse]

Let me clarify. Things are only going in one direction.

So if you’re not in the minority now, you will be in time.

This is not a “tech bro” thing (as someone else said). There is real substance to it.

[einpoklum]

I suspect GP will not be an extreme minority.

[OptionX]

Nope, not a minority at all. Quite the opposite outside the tech bro side of things.

[arandomusername]

Then don't use it? It's completely optional and works perfectly fine without AI

[mort96]

Thanks for the tip, but I was already not using it

[karaterobot]

It's an unexpected position to take, though. You said you had been interested in Zed until they integrated AI. The response was "the AI is completely optional", which I'd expect would make you more likely to use Zed, since it removes your objection. But it doesn't change your position at all, which makes me suspect it's not that you're worried the AI would interfere with your workflow, but that it's there at all. So, is your position that the very fact that Zed allowed AI to touch it has infected it in some way?

[mort96]

I'm not interested in using text editors with chat bot integration, hope this clarifies things

[karaterobot]

Not at all!

[evilduck]

So you're just here to be an AI curmudgeon with no valuable input to the debugger conversation topic whatsoever, with no experience with Zed and no intent to ever even try it? Thanks for all the relevant and useful hot takes I guess.