[shakna]

Driving is not a general problem, though. Its a contextual landscape of fast-based reactions and predictions. Both are required, and done regularly by the human element. The exact nature of every reaction, and every prediction, change vastly within the context window.

You need image processing just as much as you need scenario management, and they're orthoganol to each other, as one example.

If you want a general transport system... We do have that. It's called rail. (And can and has been automated.)

[TeMPOraL]

It partially is. You have the specialized part of maneuvering a fast moving vehicle in physical world, trying to keep it under control at all times and never colliding with anything. Then you have the general part, which is navigating the human environment. That's lanes and traffic signs and road works and schoolbuses, that's kids on the road and badly parked trailers.

Current breed of autonomous driving systems have problems with exceptional situations - but based on all I've read about so far, those are exactly of the kind that would benefit from a general system able to understand the situation it's in.

[tshaddox]

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant. I’d go even further and say the hard parts of driving are the parts where you are likely better off with a general model. And it’s not just signs, construction, police stopping traffic, etc. Even just basic navigation amongst traffic seems to require a general model of the other nearby drivers. It’s important to be able to model drivers’ intentions, and also to drive your own car in a predictable manner.

[melvinmelih]

> Driving is not a general problem, though.

But what's driving a car? A generalist human brain that has been trained for ~30 hours to drive a car.

[shakna]

Human brain's aren't generalist!

We have multiple parts of the brain that interact in vastly different ways! Your cerebellum won't be running the role of the pons.

Most parts of the brain cannot take over for others. Self-healing is the exception, not the rule. Yes, we have a degree of neuroplasticity, but there are many limits.

(Sidenote: Driver's license here is 240 hours.)

[azan_]

> We have multiple parts of the brain that interact in vastly different ways!

Yes, and thanks to that human brains are generalist

[shakna]

Only if that was a singular system, however, it is not. [0]

For example... The nerve cells in your gut may speak to the brain, and interact with it in complex ways we are only just beginning to understand, but they are separate systems that both have control over the nervous system, and other systems. [1]

General Intelligence, the psychological theory, and General Modelling, whilst sharing words, share little else.

[0] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuroimage.2022.119673

[1] https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aau9973

[yusina]

240 hours sounds excessive. Where is "here"?

[Zanfa]

> Human brain's aren't generalist!

What? Human intelligence is literally how AGI is defined. Brain’s physical configuration is irrelevant.

[shakna]

A human brain is not a general model. We have multiple overlapping systems. The physical configuration is extremely relevant to that.

AGI is defined in terms of "General Intelligence", a theory that general modelling is irrelevant to.