[jcranmer]

> But this long-winded rant [1] defending WW2 Germany? "Reactionary" doesn't even begin to describe it.

Holy. Fucking. Crap.

I never thought that I would find someone in the modern day attempt to defend that Germany didn't start WW2, but here we are.

I had a low opinion of him before, but he found a new low to plumb.

[senectus1]

Social media, AI etc has created a post reality world.

We DON'T all live in the same reality, the echo chambers and false narratives being fed to us and corralling us is completely messing with our heads.

back in the 60's and 70's we were worried that the CIA was micro dosing the population... what we've learned is that isn't even needed. just feed us attractive lies and we'll line up for brainworms via the internet and TV day and night.

[orwin]

Well, MKultra did happen. The fact that it didn't work don't mean they never tried :D

Concerning the WW2 lies about the start of the war, my principal issue with them are that they are quite easy to disprove, you just need to read _english_ cables sent to Poland which are publicly available, where they asked Poland to accept Germany ultimatum on Danzig and polish borders. I fact, Chamberlain Guarantee of polish independence explicitly didn't guarantee its borders. It was clearly an attempt to prevent another Czekoslovakia. Thus people believing them have to be idiots, I don't see another solution.

Also if you want to check Poland response, it's translated already. They said in late May 39 they tried to get a hold on German chief diplomat (not Ribbentrof, the second one) to accept most of Germany's terms, but couldn't. They surrendered by press, pushed articles in the free city to explain they removed border checks with Germany by July 39.