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by cess11 361 days ago
They're under the CLOUD Act, doesn't matter what their policies say.
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Aren’t groups end-end encrypted still, with key exchange on joining groups?
Does the WhatsApp program generate and store/mange the private keys? If so, it would be possible for the program to send private keys on request, effectively backdooring the endpoint. Such an arrangement would allow Meta to put its hand on it heart and truthfully say it is end-to-end encrypted (on the network), whilst still providing a way around it.
Yes, but users can compare fingerprints (sure, most probably don't, but it's definitely a deterrence against MITMing all conversations by default), receive warnings whenever fingerprints change etc.

There's also supposedly a key transparency service deployed (similar to Certificate Transparency), but I haven't looked into that in detail.

Sharing private keys gets around all that.
That would require explicit code to do so, which would probably be extremely hard to explain away.
Are people publicly archiving, reverse engineering, and auditing every single version of Whatsapp?

Would you even know if you got a special copy of Whatsapp (still signed by Meta and valid) that has this explicit code?

Yeah. Go review eg. okta verify apk and tell me it doesn't do anything nefarious. It's an app that basically just does a TOTP hash from some short secret for all I care/use it for. I can probably implement what it does for me in about 200-300 lines of C code without any dependencies.

The shit app has 60 MiB compressed. I was not even able to find where in the code it works with the damn secrets it uses for TOTP.

Now do WhatsApp with its zillion features.

If you mean that it's hard to explain away for the devs themselves, then people do much worse things in this world, and are able explain it to themselves just fine as something good, even.

PRISM too.