[handfuloflight]

But what do we do if the closed models are just better?

[rkangel]

The agents are separate from the models. Claude Code only allows you to use Claude, but Aider allows you to use any model.

[handfuloflight]

How does that solve the problem of closed models being better than open models?

[hn8726]

There is no problem. OP said we should be using open _agents_, not open _models_. You can use an open agent with any model, open or closed, while using something like Claude Code locks you in to one model vendor

[handfuloflight]

I know what OP said and I asked a question in turn.

[davidmurdoch]

Wait?

[handfuloflight]

And get superseded by competitors willing to spend on those models?

[bluefirebrand]

Steal from them shamelessly, the same way they stole from everyone else?

[hsuduebc2]

You are onto something.

[datameta]

Seems ethically sound to me.

[dghlsakjg]

Isn't abusing the OpenAI terms of service part of how Deepseek did training?