[saberience]

The problem with your argument is the idea that there is this special thing called "consciousness" that humans have and AI "doesn't".

Philosophers, scientists, thinkers have been trying to define "consciousness" for 100+ years at this point and no one has managed to either a) define it, or b) find ways to test for it.

Saying we have "consciousness" and AI "doesn't" is like saying we have a soul, a ghost in the machine, and AI doesn't. Do we really have a ghost in the machine? Or are we just really a big deterministic machine that we just don't fully understand yet, rather like AI.

So before you assert that we are "conscious", you should first define what you mean by that term and how we test for it conclusively.

[staticman2]

Before you assert nobody has defined consciousness you should maybe consult the dictionary?

[saberience]

Are you trying to misunderstand me purposefully?

I'm talking about a precise, technical, scientific definition, that scientists all agree on, and which doesn't rely on the definitions of other words, and can also be reliably tested.

There has been constant debate about what consciousness means among scientists, philosophers, psychologists for as long as the word has existed. And there has never been any consistent and agreed upon test for consciousness.

The Google definition of consciousness is: "the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

By that definition, a Tesla self driving car is conscious, it is aware of and responsive to its surroundings...

[staticman2]

If you meant a scientific definition why do you keep mentioning philosophy?

An LLM tells me references such as Oxford Dictionary of Science probably include a definition of consciousness but I suppose that would be behind a pay wall so I can't verify it.

Of course you are demanding one that "scientists all agree on" which is an impossibly high bar so I don't think anyone is going to meet you there.

[lostmsu]

Because it is clear the comment claiming "AIs have no consciousness" did not mean that dictionary definition, which is exactly the issue.