[withinboredom]

Ummm. Maybe you should look up Helen Keller.

[ofjcihen]

Helen Keller did in fact make her demands they just couldn’t be known. In contrast the LLM does nothing of its own volition.

[mewpmewp2]

If you put the LLM in a never ending loop, it would definitely be doing something.

[ofjcihen]

A something defined by someone else, yes.

Additionally, thinking organisms don’t get stuck in never ending loops because they can CHOOSE to exit the loop. LLMs don’t have that ability

[mewpmewp2]

My analogy of being in loop means being in a live state. So we as humans are in the loop continuously, we do have a way to exit the loop, but in that comparison it means taking our own life. We are in loops of getting input and producing output. You can also give LLM a tool to shut itself down, or you can give it tools to build on its knowledge base, so it would always be outputting new tokens that are based on new input and are producing different output.

E.g. it could have access to camera and microphone feed, which is automatically given to it in interval as part of the loop, it could call tools or functions to store specific bits and pieces of information, to store in its RAG or whatever based knowledge base. It is not going to be in the loop of producing the same token over and over, it would be new tokens because the context and environment is constantly evolving.

[ofjcihen]

We put the LLM in a loop with no instructions with whatever tools you want. Now what?

[mewpmewp2]

We will observe what it would do. We could write a script to try it out.