[gfody]

ORMs are basically the enemy of rdbms, by encouraging antipatterns and undermining language features they have easily done more harm than good. of course reasonable people can be trusted to use them reasonably but if you're arguing about it on the internet..

[Quarrelsome]

ye I think the guy I was arguing with was mostly a DBA so I get his perspective, but its just religious to be wholly on one or the other side of the argument.

[winrid]

Even as someone who is a DBA I say ORMs are great for most simple queries.