[robviren]

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

[ljm]

Literally nobody will give a fuck about a 24 episode series that exists because you spent a few seconds writing a prompt.

AI doesn’t increase the value of content, it makes it meaningless by destroying scarcity.

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

[robviren]

Mainly just pulling from how my friends use it now, for the fun of it. We have sent each other silly generated videos of stuff we did or talked about. Kind of like how we used up compute, storage, and bandwidth to send memes and funny videos. If it were the 80s we would spent proportional cost to share a cat picture perhaps, but look at what we did with the bleeding edge even then. Turned the computers into game machines, shared things, wasted time. This is just an extension of that idea. Everything cutting edge ends up getting used for silly things.

[motoxpro]

I think they are talking about making their own series, not selling something, which will be valuable to exactly one person (or in this case a group chat). Which is awesome.

[zuminator]

A whole series would involve writing thousands of prompts, not just a few seconds. But since you bring it up, one thing I think we can eventually expect is an avalanche of fan created continuations of cancelled shows, like an 8th season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, or a decent 8th season of Game of Thrones. Instead of writing a tie-in novel, aspiring genre authors will write screenplays and turn them into AI movies.

[prmoustache]

Which is the worse thing that cn happen to these shows. Most of them are already going downhill plotwise after a couple of seasons.

[cubano]

I'm not at all sure you can make a blanket statement like this and expect it to be always true. This is classic Disruptive Technology stuff, and I'll spare everyone the tedious explanation of how the typical trajectory will go.

Yes there will tons of garbage, but of course there will be the 1% of the 1% who spend the time and efforts to, perhaps, create something of equal and perhaps better quality than what has come before.

[lelanthran]

> Which is the worse thing that cn happen to these shows. Most of them are already going downhill plotwise after a couple of seasons.

Firefly is the exception. Luckily they managed to wrap it up in Serenity.

[selfmodruntime]

> AI doesn’t increase the value of content, it makes it meaningless by destroying scarcity.

Most art is in some way or form derivative of another work or a combination of somesorts. I enjoy derivative works. To me, AI already has value. I don't seek endless gratification through originality.

[hardwaresofton]

Like the hot take but it is needlessly negative because it doesn’t go far enough.

You could make the same argument about musical instruments, or being able to record and playback music, dj tools, etc.

I think what you get is the power law distribution for tons of content. Some of the stuff is still mega valuable, but distribution just gets more and more important and it’s harder and harder to break through. This is what the “democratization” of any previously difficulty-gated endeavor does.

More niches will be created, more fragmentation in tastes, stuff like that. Not just completely valueless content.

Incumbents and platform providers get to win through it all though, because humans still want to fill their time.

[ramblerman]

The difference is that the jury is still out if these things are truly generating something novel. Or are we just making it pick from the spaces in between an average of all the images on the internet.

The latter would mean everything quickly looks and feels the same.

I also believe some barrier to entry is needed for good art, people are inherently lazy and AI lets us get away with "just good enough" - see llm assisted coding as an example

[hardwaresofton]

> The difference is that the jury is still out if these things are truly generating something novel. Or are we just making it pick from the spaces in between an average of all the images on the internet.

Novel in what sense? Most creative endeavor is not completely novel -- it's usually a combination of pre-existing styles, taste, patterns, and other inputs.

> The latter would mean everything quickly looks and feels the same.

I think human preferences will be a good guard rail against this. The reward will be greatly reduced for creating mostly the same things, just like real artists in real life.

> I also believe some barrier to entry is needed for good art, people are inherently lazy and AI lets us get away with "just good enough" - see llm assisted coding as an example

That's a pretty deep philosophical question -- "good art" is also a hell of a rabbit hole to go down!

Guess we'll find out :)

[numpad0]

Ironically I think it might, by serving as a synthetic generator to learn to better understand artistic values for those who need it. We wouldn't know what is ever so slightly wrong about replicator Earl Grey, without trying it for a while.

A lot of people right now claim that they cannot tell apart AI output from human art, while many of them seem to grow rather agitated and stressed after repeated exposure. I bet they're going to be forced into exclusively making art manually, or viewing exclusively human art at some point, and through that ways, AIs could increase value of human made data.

I find it funny that wishes for AI arts always seem to be more anime and end to Marvel slop. They want human slop go away thanks to AI slop? I'm not meaning to call out someone for contradiction or inconsistency - as I do understand the sentiment. But it gives me chuckles.

[tough]

someone's slop is someone else's gold or something.

everyone likes their own slop, hopefully

[thebestmoshe]

Who is going to spend time watching those episodes if content is so easy to make? Everyone will be busy watching their own generated content.

[woctordho]

AI is going to watching those. AI watches much faster than humans.

[azinman2]

Because few are great storytellers, people like celebrities, and having a shared cultural reference point.

Even TikTok's main fuel are likes and shares. Isolated material will just cease to be interesting, because it's from your own imagination.

[yoz-y]

There is a (dystopian) world where AI is so good at making movies or series so well tailored to a person so cheaply that there will be no more shared culture.

It’s reaching, of course, but imo the best shows are those that have small, dedicated, fanbase. If it’s small it means that the show has enough personality to drive other people away.

And that’s fine. Popular stuff is popular mainly because of lack of controverse.

[saurik]

On the one hand you say it's dystopian, but you also seem to be celebrating it? ;P Maybe a show with a fanbase of 1 is in fact the best show in the entire world ;P. Regardless: I don't think you end up with no shared culture at all, because if something happens to me that normally would only happen to just me I still tell my friends about it, and maybe they want to experience the same unique thing I saw, and the same will be (and already is, fwiw) true of AI generated slop.

[echelon]

More content will be made in a single month than all of human history up to this point.

No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. If you have a passion for Egyptology and Atlantis, you'll be able to watch a steampunk adventure about the Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". That would never have been greenlit before, but it'll soon be possible.

Good creators will arise just like good indie music, indie manga/comic, and indie game creators. Discovery will be the problem to solve for creators. There will be an abundance of talent that is finally able to create their vision rather than nepotism their way into one of 500 limited annual roles of autonomy.

Small creators who grow large like VivziePop [1] and PsychicPebbles [2] will be the model for the future of content. They start small on YouTube, grow large, and eventually have their own large-scale distribution and franchises.

The creative world is about to get orders of magnitude better. Not 2x, not 10x, but easily 1,000x.

I hate most movies and tv shows, but love the medium. The problem is most content produced just isn't my vibe. I like super artsy stuff, but also have particular tastes. That's going to change dramatically. Stuff will start fitting the shape of my interest graph.

I'm so excited.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivienne_Medrano

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Hadel

[sunrunner]

> We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests.

This isn't inherently a bad thing but I don't believe it's without its costs, one of which being that with everyone watching (potentially) completely unique media there'll be no shared cultural artifacts to communicate with others about.

VivziePop may have started as a small creator but the recent creations such as Hazbin Hotel have now become things where the enjoyment can be shared with other fans, which in some ways is the secondary purpose of all media. Media enjoyed alone can still be rewarding, media enjoyed with others can be much more than that (except for going to the cinema with strangers, that can disappear immediately).

It seems like a common idea that if we can just generate a practically-infinite stream of media then we've solved some kind of problem with there just not being enough "content" (I hate using the term in this way but it's concise), and while I do sympathise with the points of view from people that can't find things they like, I also don't really believe that "Content is a problem".

More variety itself isn't a problem, but I'm not convinced that in general there's a _lack_ of content. Humans have already reached peak saturation in terms of the sheer amount of text, audio and video that's created every day. No single item of media is itself a problem, but perhaps the total aggregate of everything isn't helpful.

[DrillShopper]

Yay, I can't wait for entertainment to stop being soulless corporate sequels and reboots and derivatives, and now with an LLM I can now get soulless machine generated sequels and reboots and derivatives!

[yapyap]

Sounds like hell. Yeah let’s have everybody live in their own bubble, that’ll work out great (not) and let’s have that bubble be able to be influenced in the tiniest ways so they will consume more products, amazing!

[Barrin92]

>Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". That would never have been greenlit before

This is quite literally what the Marvel / Star wars mass media slop is, a sort of syncretistic version of every pop culture phenomenon scientifically engineered down to A/B tested audience taste. It's excatly what you're complaining about, never-ending banal stuff. It'll be Disneyfication on steroids.

It's a sort of media masturbation, hooking your brain up to itself and feeding it its own output, what the large studios are already doing with their franchises, just on an individual level. You'll basically sit in your own never-ending Marvel hell, basically D.F Wallace's Infinite Jest.

Art is obviously the opposite, something external and disruptive, a creative act from someone who isn't you.

[sunrunner]

Somehow I've never made the connection before until your comment, but perhaps DFW imagined the contents of the video tape as essentially the combination of YouTube Shorts and TikTok, an endless stream of tiny dopamine-spiking sensory inputs.

I always imagined it as a single media item with one theme that itself was so ridiculously compelling that viewers couldn't look away (more like a film, perhaps something analogous with the size of IJ itself), but now imagining that it was a practically-infinite stream of short-form content that you didn't even find truly valuable but were compelled to keep watching anyway makes it seem much scarier.

[holoduke]

One real example of AI generated video that in my opinion marks the start of common people consuming AI video are the bigfoot vlog vidoes. The first time ever i see normal people watching this and genuinely like it.

[eadmund]

> There will be an abundance of talent that is finally able to create their vision rather than nepotism their way into one of 500 limited annual roles of autonomy.

Is it possible that part of what creates quality is having to collaborate with others? Would Star Wars have been as good as it was without Marcia Lucas?

[troupo]

> No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests.

Lol. Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations?

Also, an average person's "long tail" is incredibly boring (I know mine is). You will need someone to create a next Breaking Bad, or a next Discworld, or... Your slop-generating machine will not be able to generate it from a "long tail"

[echelon]

> Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations?

Doesn't matter one bit, just like mp3 and torrents didn't stop digital music.

If you care, there are already "ethical models", there are synthetic datasets, and soon rights holders will be licensing training data.

But it literally doesn't matter. The entire world will be on board soon. IP holders included.

> Your slop-generating machine

I'm in the industry. We're not talking about LLMs powering this, but writers and directors and VFX artists.

Hollywood is switching to AI rapidly. The problem for the studios is we don't need them anymore. They only existed because distribution and capital were hard. That isn't the case anymore. A skilled team of five can make content on their own.

[mbesto]

> Doesn't matter one bit, just like mp3 and torrents didn't stop digital music.

mp3 and torrents are storage and distributions mechanisms, not production ones. This is an inappropriate analogy.

[echelon]

It's entirely appropriate. Those were the first digital distribution routes.

As much as the RIAA hated digital, they eventually caved.

[dylan604]

RIAA hating digital and finally caving on distribution is totally different than all of the artists getting replaced by genAI. It's just not the same no matter how much you keep trying to push that square peg into a round hole.

[sunrunner]

> A skilled team of five can make content on their own

And a skilled team of one can also make good, creative and unique content by themselves (I'm thinking mostly of the kind of things that end up on YouTube, Nebula, etc.)

> Hollywood is switching to AI rapidly.

I'm curious as to what people think the long term prospect for this really is. If it's true that the number of people involved in the creation of this content goes down then does it get cheaper and more available? Faster to create? But to what end? Who's even paying to engage with it? Presumably not the people that used to work in the production of those things, because they've been displaced by the content generation machines. More and more content will be sold to people that are perhaps less able to afford it.

[troupo]

So many words completely failing to address a single word I wrote

[echelon]

What is with people being so mean?

[troupo]

People still expect others to reply to points raised, reach logical conclusions and generally keep within the context of the conversation.

[joshstrange]

Maybe we can finally get shows/movies that are faithful to the books instead of whatever slop we normally get (Looking at you WoT). Obviously a book != a script (like script for a show/movie, not a code script) but with LLMs I feel confident it could generate a script that could be reviewed directly or review the final video then go back and tweak the script as needed ("Ahh crap, it misunderstood the 'you' in that sentence and the wrong character just spoke in the generated video, let me fix that and re-gen that scene").

[prmoustache]

Making them faithful to a book will mot necesarilly make them more entertaining or enjoyable. There is a good chance it would make them worse actually.

[Bombthecat]

Me too!

Can't wait to create shadowrun movies for example :)