[tom_]

Interesting to hear it was so much of a problem in terms of onboarding time. Maybe Source Depot was particularly weird, and/or MS were using it in a way that made things particularly complicated? Perforce has never felt especially difficult to use to me, and programmers never seem to have any difficulty with it. Artists and designers seem to pick it up quite quickly too. (By and large, in contrast to programmers, they are less in the habit of putting up with the git style of shit.)

[chokolad]

> Interesting to hear it was so much of a problem in terms of onboarding time. Maybe Source Depot was particularly weird, and/or MS were using it in a way that made things particularly complicated?

It was not. It was literally a fork of perforce with executable renamed to sd.exe from p4. Command line was pretty much identical.

[throwaway2037]

    > git style of shit

I don't understand this phrase. Can you explain more?

[tom_]

It's a fairly typical Unix tool, but: worse! It's got a rather cryptic and unhelpful command line UI that's often fiddly to use, rather requires you to understand its internals in order to work with it, and has lots of perplexing failure modes. There are GUIs for it, which do help, but people moan at you if you use them, and/because they're often opinionated and oriented towards some specific workflow or other. And they don't really stop it being fiddly to use, you still need to bear in mind how it works internally to use it, and the perplexing failure modes remain.

It's a generalisation, but, by and large, artists and designers don't enjoy using these sorts of tools. Also, they are more likely to be working with unmergeable files, something that git isn't really designed to work with.

(Programmers often don't like these sorts of tools either, but - again, a generalisation - they're harder to avoid if you're a programmer, so the average one is typically a bit more practised at putting up with this crap.)

[throwaway2037]

In 2025, source code version control is incredibly complex. Hell, it was already complex 15 years ago, but the tools were probably worse! Have you ever seen the full manual for GCC/Clang? It is nuts. FFmpeg is legendary hard to use from the command line (no hate on Fabrice Bellard -- you still the man). Same for ImageMagick. I don't fault Git for it. If you want fine-grained control over every single possible action... well, you will wind up with a command line tool with an insane number of options.