[justinrubek]

I'm getting the sense that both sets of parties here have a strong opinion and that this isn't a real discussion because of that.

[gatlin]

Strong opinions don't make something not a discussion. Announcing to the room how aloof you are though does make you not very aloof.

[nixosbestos]

Yeah my strong opinion is that I have better hidpi support than any other platform, no tearing, ever, a better security model, the x devs have abandoned x11. They have accessibility (which I am completely sympathetic to, but is rarely the actual point) and a bunch of hand waving neck beard bullshit.

I have worked on DEs, I have committed to compositors. I know which side has more merit.