[msgodel]

>It's not a problem with people, just these people that I happen to want/need to incorporate.

You're arguing my point for me. People are what people do and the fact that people do these things (and consistently do these things throughout history) means that these large scale international empires are impossible to maintain. The problem may very well be conservatives, so what do you do? Exclude them? Put them in concentration camps? Now you're back to agreeing with me again.

EDIT: (for your response)

They don't bring it down "eventually" this happens very quickly. It's been known since ancient times that this happens (ibn Khaldun wrote about these things for example.) The problem is that "conservatives" from different "tribes" look very different (this is obvious if you've spent time trying to understand politics in foreign countries) so once you deal with the majority conservative group you just end up with a new one from the plurality. It's not an eventually thing, it's a critical mass problem. The only way international states work is if there's a single majority that excludes outsiders (like the Arabs used to and sometimes still do for example.)

[johnQdeveloper]

> They don't bring it down "eventually" this happens very quickly.

You are redefining terms to "win", m8.

Entire lifetimes within the safe confines of an empire is not anyone's definition of "very quickly" in English. Please educate yourself on what you are talking about and do better research.

There is no point in engaging in a one sided conversation with someone who is either being dishonest with himself or truly misunderstanding the topic in question to the point phrases are needed to be redefined to some absurd parameter measured in 60+ year spans as "very quickly".

Please understand you really should learn something on these topics rather than quoting stuff you clearly show a shallow understanding of that is unique to a certain political group and not even the intellectuals in that group would argue as you have.

*EDIT TO REPLY*

> I agree entire lifetimes would not be very quickly. I'm arguing once you have a plurality population these things tend to blow up within a generation.

?? but Americans were Christian white male conservatives as the majority during the generations in question and were arguably more conservative as even people like the Irish and Italian were "outside parties" like you view jews.

Are you arguing the American situation deteriorated multiple times in the 20th century (1900-2000) and somehow resurrected its Empire each time?

This is just a bizarre conversation at this point but I'm morbidly curious.

Btw, the official definition is 1890s to now for the American Empire as you are talking about. So...idk how you square it failing in the ??present day?? and later with multiple generations being born and dying during that time period.

[msgodel]

I agree entire lifetimes would not be very quickly. I'm arguing once you have a plurality population (where the populous are all considered peers) these things tend to blow up within a generation.

[johnQdeveloper]

> Keep calling normal things people like or need fascism and you'll find yourself surrounded by legitimate fascists.

M8, it is hilarious how easy conservatives trying to normalize that stuff in the wild is.

I was just curious since you were trying to play the "I am playing devil's advocate" card when you are clearly a card carrying conservative.

Look, idk how you are concluding this kind of craziness but it _is_ craziness from a fact based point of view. I'm only opposed to conservatives in the US for three reasons:

1) They are against my access to life saving medical care, potentially forcing me to flee the country to where I can afford it.

2) They are very comfortable courting anti-Jewish extremism in the US which is why I have to keep track of which bigoted asshole cares I'm jewish so I know who will try to knife me in the back professionally/personally.

3) They are less fiscally conservative (when it comes to the debt/deficit) than Democrats with their tax giveaways, guaranteeing the eventual failure of the United States financially. Similarly, their economic policies are sprinkling fairy dust and pray the long term consequences away.

As a supporter of Israel (the part that isn't hurting the cooperating palestianians anyway), a fiscal conservative, and so forth, it is bizarre to me I have no party in the United States but the Democratic Party to vote for.

[msgodel]

>it is bizarre to me I have no party in the United States but the Democratic Party to vote for.

Once again you argue my point for me. A place for everyone is a place for no one.

[johnQdeveloper]

> Once again you argue my point for me. A place for everyone is a place for no one.

And you agree people like me should be removed from the country (even thought we are citizens) based on the kind of solutions the Nazis used before they moved on to camps.

10/10 glad the guy berating people for calling people fascists openly admits he is one.

EDIT:

Just noting for posterity, the guy agrees the above is correct in his current response but "wants to know what solution I have" as his only critique.

I'm done, no point in arguing with an admitted fascist/nazi adjacent type.

> How do you propose the problem is solved? Ban every kind of conservative from all the tribes you'd like to incorporate?

> That would still include you by the way since you'd like to conserve Israel. That's not a moral failure on your part that's just how people work and it's why international states can't work.

I'm just amazed how easy he took the bait to confession pipeline.

[msgodel]

How do you propose the problem is solved? Ban every kind of conservative from all the tribes you'd like to incorporate?

That would still include you by the way since you'd like to conserve Israel. That's not a moral failure on your part that's just how people work and it's why international states can't work.

EDIT: Regardless of how you feel about it your proposed policy has a clear contradiction. You can dislike it, you can call me a nazi for pointing it out, but if you don't have an answer to this then your idea simply isn't practical for everyone else to adopt.