[dylan604]

regardless of what apple/google allow officially, the cell carrier also has tracking locations. if you're going out to do something that you would want to hide your location, it's best to just leave the device at home. get a burner phone paid for in cash by someone not you doing the transaction.

[bluGill]

Your cell carrier operators under very different laws and ability to harm you. Sure they know where you are, but most of the data flowing across their network is encrypted and so they mostly know you have a lot of data to AWS, google, and the like but not what it is. Google as the endpoint of that data has the decrypted version of the data and so they know what it is, and so they can target you in different ways.

If you are going to commit a crime (rape, murder), then all the police need is to know who owns the phones in the area and so you need a burner phone to hide your tracks.

However most of us are not worried about crimes. We are worried about privacy. We are not doing anything illegal, but google still knows far too much about us and is using that to legally abuse us with advertisements. While we all want to pretend we are good at ignoring advertisements, most of us have bought things we don't need and don't really want (or spent too much on things we did need/want).

[dylan604]

You seem to have lost the plot a bit. In several locations, it is illegal for women to get certain health care. There are parties out there that are very interested in policing those policies. To prove that, it doesn't matter where they get the tracking data as long as they can prove your location. If someone needs a warrant/subpoena to get the data from a cell carrier or some app developer it doesn't matter to the person being persecuted for seeking health care.

[rustcleaner]

Just pointing out this is an all-or-nothing strawman argument summed up as: if you can't have it all, don't bother trying. It's fallacious. That is all. :^)

[dylan604]

I disagree to it being a strawman. If you are doing something where you location being identified could put you in a spot of bother, do not carry anything that can track your location. There's just no way around it. If you want to use wavy hands to pretend tracking of location isn't so bad, then you go ahead and call it a strawman. For people whose physical safety depends on not being tracked, it is not a strawman.