[yolkedgeek]

We are not lawyers. I don't care what their "parent" company is legally. In practice, IBM influences and affects every single decision of these projects/companies. So yes, It is their parent company. Just look at what they were doing to X11. Holding it's development back just to monopolize wayland more.

[happymellon]

How were they holding X11 back?

No one wanted to support it, not just Red Hat.

[yolkedgeek]

Read the news. That's why the maintainers forked it and are starting improvements on their own project.

https://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2025/06/06/msg032...

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

[happymellon]

That reads like someone having a breakdown.

Probably going to regret asking, but what is a "redskirt"?

> doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your politicial views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just an boring average person. Anybody's welcomed, who's interested in bringing X forward.

Whoh. So normally people who talk like this are far from "strong and stable", it's a call for "all lives matter". I wouldn't touch this racist heap.

[Edit] And redskirt is just a misogynistic play on Star Trek red shirts. This dev sounds delightful.

[bmn__]

> > doesn't matter […] your race […] Anybody's welcomed

> I wouldn't touch this racist heap.

You are clearly unhinged. I don't know how to bring you back to sanity, but as the americans say, one cannot reason someone out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into.

[happymellon]

The developer is an anti-vaxxer, uses obvious misogynistic language and is full of dog whistles toward racist language.

I am perfectly fine.

[bmn__]

I notice you choose to shift the goalpost instead of engaging with the central point. The central point, stated clearly and unequivocally, is that the project maintainer wrote he welcomes anybody and does not care about race, and you call this racist, and thus there is a huge contradiction.

I suspect you double down because you are so captured by your emotions that you cannot possibly admit the lapse in critical thinking. I predict going that path won't take you far on HN.

[biorach]

> Read the news. That's why the maintainers forked it

It looks more like one maintainer, and it's really not clear if his problem was with corporate control, or if he just fell out with everybody.

[biorach]

I've read some more. He's just nuts. Your talking nonsense.

[morsch]

Previously discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44217735

[ibotty]

Not a maintainer. A disgruntled developer. And one with questionable patches. Please read the gitlab discussions before coming to this conclusion.

[henearkr]

I love the idea to fork X11 if it can accelerate its development or maintenance, however in this precise case it looks like the developer who created the fork has questionable opinions about e.g. DEI, vaccines, etc, but more importantly it looks like he is willing to include references to his opinions inside the project (cf the README.md)...

So, it would be awesome if somebody would just go ahead and re-fork it removing just the controversial stuff.

[cardanome]

Give me an option to donate directly to X11 development and I am gonna support it.

[happymellon]

Give directly to X11 development? You'll need to find someone who actually wants to work on the codebase, and then you can donate to them?

No one wants to work on it.

[cardanome]

There is lots of work no ones wants to do in their free time. That is why you pay people money.

And why wouldn't someone be happy working on X11? It is an open source project, it is high impact work. I would jump at it instantly if someone paid me a competitive wage to do it. Or honestly even a bit under my normal expectation. Not every person wants to work on some ego-driven rewrite of a rewrite. Some people are fine working with legacy code.

Also there is a counter example right above my post. Someone was so motivated to work on it, they even forked it: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

Granted the fork seems weirdly ideologically motivated but anyway, case in point.

[growse]

So with the plethora of people who care about progress and its success, and the army of people willing to work on it for a competitive wage, we should be seeing lots of activity on the project, right?

> Give me an option to donate directly to X11 development and I am gonna support it.

> I would jump at it instantly if someone paid me a competitive wage to do it

You guys should meet up.

[pcpuser]

Nah man you don't get it. They were "monetizing" Wayland. Whatever that means. It's certainly not because X is an insanely old and difficult to maintain codebase with questionable design decisions.