[sergers]

i am not a skeptic, but with covid19 vax i first hand witnessed completely irregular menstrual cycles, and nerve issues/trigeminal neuralgia that doctors have been unable to "explain" only occuring after my first jab and continue for years.

i took 2 jabs at that start of covid vaxinations, fcked my life up to be honest.

only now doctors they are saying may be related after years of inconclusive reports..

we jumped the gun on covid19 vax, i am fine with anything being out many many years.

we wouldnt dare give it to our children.

BUT we are upto date and will continue to be upto date on immunizations as required by local health and schools (covid is not one of them).

so we arent anti-vax.

we anti-letting us and our kids be the test bed.

[dekhn]

How do you know for certain that the irregular menstrual cycles were caused by the vaccine? Please be specific.

[wizzwizz4]

> i first hand witnessed completely irregular menstrual cycles, and nerve issues/trigeminal neuralgia that doctors have been unable to "explain"

Sounds like perimenopause. Irregular menstrual cycles, and "doctors are clueless", are both symptoms of perimenopause; and trigeminal neuralgia is associated with menopause (see e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3401754/#sec2-4 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4247552/#sec2-8).

I'd recommend getting your bloods done, and then (if you are experiencing perimenopause) try taking enough œstradiol to get your levels back up: that might reduce the pressure on your trigeminal nerve, if the two things are related. (This of course increases your cancer risk, but for most women it's worth it.)

[sergers]

I have seen 8 specialists in padt 1.5 years. And 15+ bloodtests as recent as 2 days ago.

They reviewing my case for a case study at ubc med

Anyone else feel free to armchair opinion and be skeptical.

Did the vax cause the issues directly? Probably not.

Did it trigger somehting dormant already in a cascading affect? Possibly...

Keep down voting i guess if doesnt match your personal experience or u think ita just menopause

[wizzwizz4]

I'm sorry; I assumed by "doctors" you meant "two GPs", not "over half a dozen specialists".

Out of interest, what have the doctors ruled out? I know your personal opinion is "the vaccine did it", but that was hardly the only thing going on in your life at the time, and n=1 doesn't give a lot of opportunities for a comparison.

I'd be interested in reading the case study, too, once pre-prints are available.

[ashdksnndck]

Given every human body is interacting with the world in myriad complex ways, how could you possibly know that your symptoms are caused by the vaccine? Out of the 1000 other factors which affect human health? Isn’t it just a cognitive bias because there is political drama about the vaccine to connect it to our personal experience?

This challenge is why we use randomized controlled trials to investigate the effects of treatment… they are the best tool we know of that can actually measure cause and effect.

[roenxi]

> how could you possibly know that your symptoms are caused by the vaccine?

They can't, and often neither can the doctors. That is one of the major practical reasons why vaccinations should be voluntary - it is quite hard to assess the evidence of what exactly medicine does. Some things take a while for the evidence to really form a meaningful pattern.

It was like them declaring the vaccine safe and effective after a few months of trials - that isn't a crazy standard but if the vaccine literally caused people to drop dead after 12 months for some weird reason they just couldn't have detected it because not enough time had passed.

[bryanrasmussen]

>They can't, and often neither can the doctors. That is one of the major practical reasons why vaccinations should be voluntary

OK, so vaccines that improve the situation because of creating herd immunity should not be mandatory because a small number of the people taking the vaccine may think that medical problems they develop some time after vaccination was caused by the vaccination without any particular proof that the vaccination was the cause, thus allowing enough people to opt out of taking the vaccines destroying the benefits of herd immunity.

>but if the vaccine literally caused people to drop dead after 12 months for some weird reason they just couldn't have detected it because not enough time had passed.

is there a specific time period cut off for this scenario in your head? What if a vaccine caused people to drop dead after 50 years for some reason, we should wait 50 years then.

[roenxi]

I'm certainly open to that idea, although I'll note specifically with the COVID vaccines they don't lead to herd immunity. They don't appear to do much to stop transmission in practice, I'm aware of 1 person who didn't get COVID after being vaccinated and the vast majority of COVID transmissions in Australia are from vaccinated people.

The COVID vaccines were strictly personal protection.

> is there a specific time period cut off for this scenario in your head?

No; although personally rather than specific timelines I'd prefer that the people compelling me to get vaccinated had evidence they thought was compelling - they appeared to think threats were necessary which does make me doubt the quality of the evidence. That is the thing about voluntary administration of medical procedures - everyone gets to decide their own standard of evidence. Maybe some people just won't get vaccinated.

[rixed]

...and they do not exclude rare but real bad side effects.

[noworriesnate]

Ugh I’m sorry about that. A close female friend of mine has similar issues. I also was not anti-vax but now I look a lot more critically at stuff like this.

Anyway, just wanted to say—you’re not crazy, you really experienced what you experienced, and I’m glad people are becoming more open minded about this stuff.

[const_cast]

> i took 2 jabs at that start of covid vaxinations, fcked my life up to be honest.

Literally WHAT PROOOOF do you have of this? Do you not understand how unbelievably fucking complicated health is? Hm?

I got cancer in my 20s, do you know what caused it? No fucking idea. There's literally thousands of things that could have caused it, take your pick. I don't know, my doctor doesn't know, nobody fucking knows.

So what the fuck do you mean the COVID vaccine ruined your life? Did you eat McDonald's between now and then? So then how do you know it isn't the McDonald's?

Or, I'll do you one better: how do you know it wasn't COVID itself?

[tootie]

Anyone talking about the the covid vaccine immediately betrays their ignorance. There were a great many different vaccines distributed in very large quantities around the world.