[antisol]

Sure, ok.

> some strange ideological reasons to cling to X.

"It works" == "strange ideological reasons"

...And you claim I'm the one arguing in bad faith, lol.

You might want to look up "projection".

> I do actually wish you the best of luck.

Yep, and good luck - sincerely - getting wayland to a usable state. Who knows, maybe in another decade or two it'll be worth revisiting

[const_cast]

Wayland works great for me and is significantly more stable and feature-rich, so I'm not waiting for anything. I'm doing things right now that are probably never going to be possible on X just because of the legacy of X.

Obviously, our priorities are different, and probably our hardware too. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe you're horribly unlucky, I don't know. But I will continue to enjoy my higher DPI displays, and HDR, and thunderbolt :p

[antisol]

Yep, and meanwhile I'll be playing games on my nvidia card :)

[const_cast]

IMO nvidia cards are pretty much never worth the money. They're really only competitive at the very top end, which isn't where I am or where I think almost anyone else is.

At every other price point, they're just absolutely swept by the competition. Also nvidia in laptops has been a joke for as long as it's existed.

[antisol]

lol. I think you need to jump onto the repos for about 500 ML frameworks and tell them that the only hardware they support well "isn't worth the money".

At this point I think you're just arguing in bad faith and you have some strange ideological reasons to cling to Wayland.

With an attitude like that it'll never be ready for adoption.

Good luck!

[const_cast]

> With an attitude like that it'll never be ready for adoption.

An attitude like what? That I... don't like nvidia because they've been actively hostile to OSS for decades? What the fuck do you want me to do about that? It's nvidia's software - if they want to be jackasses then that's not something I, or anyone else on Earth, can fix.

Also what I said about nvidia is 100% factually true.

Nvidia makes good hardware... at the very top end only. Only. Every other price point, they are objectively the worst option. They offer lower rasterization performance and usually it's not even that close.

[antisol]

> An attitude like what?

You're implicitly trying to tell people (as others have more explicitly done) that rather than using the hardware they want to use - for perfectly legitimate reasons (which you've chosen to ignore) - that they should go buy something else, just so that they can adopt your preferred software stack.

I just want you to realise that with every word you type you're digging a deeper hole: when you're digging in, shifting goalposts, ignoring perfectly legitimate issues, and spewing your insane troll logic, what you're doing is making people more hostile and less interested in adopting wayland: I didn't actually give much of a shit before, I just thought wayland was a pretty funny case of vapourware that may or may not come to fruition one day, but now that I see just how evangelical and nonsensically-ideologically-driven some of you rabid fanboys are, It'll take a fairly significant shift to make me want to try it again. Your nonsense trolling here has done wayland a disservice. Congratulations.

I refer you back to this passage in my original anecdote:

  "I want to stress that I was *hoping it would work* - I was not out to find a reason not to use wayland"

> don't like nvidia because they've been actively hostile to OSS for decades

Hey guess what? This might come as a shock, but nvidia release drivers for X. And they have for decades. And they work just fine. How do their drivers work on wayland? Oh that's right, they basically don't - I posted links about that what feels like a hundred thousand messages ago. Your reaction was to deflect from that by saying they're not very good anyway. Which completely fails to even attempt to respond to the issue I pointed out.

> Also what I said about nvidia is 100% factually true.

You might note if you read back over the history of this thread that I actually didn't ask for your opinion of nvidia or their hardware at any point. Nor did I ask for an "objective" evaluation of the performance of nvidia cards relative to others. The reason I didn't ask that is because I don't actually give a shit what your opinion about nvidia and their hardware is. I hope this clears things up for you.

> they are objectively the worst option

Not for use cases that explicitly require nvidia cards and don't support anything else.

Also, somewhat related, it seems that like a ton of things I've said, you forgot to address my point that cuda is basically the only game in town when it comes to ML. I guess that must have been an oversight and not at all intentional and ideologically driven deflection.