[to11mtm]

YES ALL OF THIS.

- Dev gets a bug report.

- Dev finds problem and identifies fix.

- Dev has to get people to review PR. Oh BTW the CI takes 5-10 minutes just to tell them whether their change passes everything on CI, despite the fact only new code is having tests written for and overall coverage is only 20-30%.

- Dev has to fill out a document to deploy to even Test Environment, get it approved, wait for a deployment window.

- Dev has to fill out another document to deploy to QA Environment, get it approved, wait for a deployment window.

- Dev has to fill out another document for Prod, get it approved....

- Dev may have to go to a meeting to get approval for PROD.

That's the -happy- path, mind you...

... And then the Devs are told they are slow rather than the org acknowledging their processes are inefficient.

[theplatman]

This is crazy. I have worked at some large orgs and never experienced that level of bureaucracy to deploy to test/qa environments.

I’ve seen in sensitive apps needing an approval to go to prod but it’s async and didn’t require a meeting!