[marcosdumay]

> But shouldn't we fix the ISPs and middleware instead

Well, good luck with that.

I say we formalize an entire internet tunneled over HTTPS and throw some eggs on the face of those people.

[AnthonyMouse]

HTTP3/QUIC is on the path for this because once you have "HTTPS" over UDP, the next thing that happens is you mark all of the actual HTTP bits as optional to implement since the middlebox can't see them and just run a datagram TLS VPN over port 443 to tunnel whatever you want.