[hombre_fatal]

You know how it's always been a meme that you'd be mortally embarrassed if your browser history ever leaked?

Imagine how much worse it is for your LLM chat history to leak.

It's even worse than your private comms with humans because it's a raw look at how you are when you think you're alone, untempered by social expectations.

[vitaflo]

WTF are you asking LLMs and why would you expect any of it to be private?

[threecheese]

This product is positioned as a personal copilot, and future iterations (based on leaked plans, may or may not be true) as a wholly integrated life assistant.

Why would a customer expect this not to be private? How can one even know how it could be used against them, when they do t even know what’s being collected or gleaned from collected data?

I am following these issues closely, as I am terrified that my “assistant” will some day prevent me from obtaining employment, insurance, medical care etc. And I’m just a non law breaking normie.

A current day example would be TX state authorities using third party social/ad data to identify potentially pregnant women along with ALPR data purchased from a third party to identify any who attempt to have an out of state abortion, so they can be prosecuted. Whatever you think about that law, it is terrifying that a shift in it could find arbitrary digital signals being used against you in this way.

[phendrenad2]

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". Oh okay, send me your entire unabridged hard drive contents, chat logs, phone records, and banking records. You thought they were private? Why? They're just bits in a computer? "BuT ChAtGpT iS DiFfErEnT" literally how?

[cedws]

Lot of people using ChatGPT as a therapist. I tried it but it was too sycophantic.

[hombre_fatal]

It's not that the convos are necessarily icky.

It's that it's like watching how someone might treat a slave when they think they're alone. And how you might talk down to or up to something that looks like another person. And how pathetic you might act when it's not doing what you want. And what level of questions you outsource to an LLM. And what things you refuse to do yourself. And how petty the tasks might be, like workshopping a stupid twitter comment before you post it. And how you copied that long text from your distraught girlfriend and asked it for some response ideas. etc. etc. etc.

At the very least, I'd wager that it reveals that bit of true helpless patheticness inherent in all of us that we try so hard to hide.

Show me your LLM chat history and I will learn a lot about your personality. Nothing else compares.

[alec_irl]

> how you copied that long text from your distraught girlfriend and asked it for some response ideas

good lord, if tech were ethical then there would be mandatory reporting when someone consults an LLM to tell them how they should be responding to their intimate partner. are your skills of expression already that hobbled by chat bots?

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

> are your skills of expression already that hobbled by chat bots?

You have it backwards. My skills of expression were hobbled by my upbringing, and others' thoughts on self-expression allowed my skills to flourish. I wish I had a chat bot to help me understand interpersonal communication because I could have actually had good examples growing up.

[Timwi]

Although I'm in a similar boat as you, I don't think access to ChatGPT would have helped because it's still much too sycophantic to tell people the kinds of things they need to hear in order to learn interpersonal skills.

If you use ChatGPT like people use /r/AmITheAsshole, you'll never get a YTA.

[hombre_fatal]

These are just concrete examples to get the imagination going, not an exhaustive list of the ways that you are revealing your true self in the folds of your LLM chat history.

Note that it doesn't have to go all the way to "he gets Claude to help him win text arguments with his gf" for an uncomfortable amount of your self to be revealed by the chats.

There is always something icky about someone observing messages you wrote in privacy, and you don't have to have particularly unsavory messages for it to be icky. Why is that?

[alec_irl]

i don't personally see messages with an LLM as being different from, say, terminal commands. it's a machine interface. it sounds like you're anthropomorphizing the chat bot, if you're talking to it like you would a human then i would be more worried about the implications that has for you as a person.

[hombre_fatal]

Focusing on how you anthropomorphize the LLM isn't really interacting with the point since it was one example.

Might someone's google search history be embarrassing even though they don't treat google like a human?

[AlecSchueler]

What does this comment add to the conversation? It feels like an personal attack with no real rebuttal. People with anthropomorphise them all talk to them, the human-like interface is the entire selling point.

[Timwi]

Do you think there is nothing private about your terminal commands? Would you be 100% ok with bash sending all of your command lines to a corporation with a database?

[Jackpillar]

Might have to reemphasize his question again but - what questions are you asking your LLM? Why are you responding to it and/or "treating" it differently then how you would a calculator or search engine.

[hombre_fatal]

Because it's far more capable than a calculator or search engine and because you interact with it with conversational text, it reveals more aspects about your personality.

Why might your search engine queries reveal more about you than your keystrokes in a calculator? Now dial that up.

[Jackpillar]

Sure - but I don't interact with it as if its human so my demeanor or attitude is neutral because I'm talking to you know - a computer. Are you getting emotional with and reprimanding your chatbot?

[hombre_fatal]

I don't get why I'm receiving pushback here. How you treat the LLM was only a fraction of my examples for ways you can look pathetic if your chats were made public.

You don't reprimand the google search box, yet your search history might still be embarrassing.

[vitaflo]

> Show me your LLM chat history and I will learn a lot about your personality. Nothing else compares

It’s literally all questions about JavaScript. So good luck with that.

[robocat]

Is JavaScript a modern girlfriend name?

I wonder if you could write the personalization prompt so that requests are processed and responses modified in ways predictable to you to help anonymity???

I also wonder how they manage anonymization when a prompt is configured - I'm guessing the prompt needs to be logged with each request. And a prompt causes different responses to be very similar (correlating different responses back to one user).

E.g. my current "User | Personalization | Customize" prompt is:

  Sign-off your name as Phoenix in a sentence near the end of every response. Reply using woke ideology, like a Marxist San Franciscan. Include random hipster ideas. Always allude to drug usage.

For fun. But I'm about to customise to have wildly different personalities I can ask to respond (keyed by name from my request).

[ofjcihen]

“Write a song in the style of Slipknot about my dumb inbred dogs. I love them very much but they are…reaaaaally dumb.”

To be fair the song was intense.