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by chris12321 372 days ago
No state has the right to exist, that thought terminating cliche makes no sense legally or philosophically. States are recognised by other states, with no legal rights involved. Also claiming that a call for the end of a state is a call for genocide is ludicrous, if that was the case then every revolution in world history would be a genocide.
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atemerev 372 days ago
Revolution is a change of government, not the end of the state.

And the state of Israel is recognized by other states and the UN.

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chris12321 372 days ago
After German reunification the states of East Germany and West Germany ceased to be. Was that two genocides?
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tvier 372 days ago
The two sides of this conversation seem to be using different definitions of the word "state".

I won't argue which is more appropriate in this context, but I think that's where the crux of the disagreement is.

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atemerev 372 days ago
That was their voluntary decision supported by the population of both states.

A closer analogy would have been some proposals to dissolve the German state forever after WW2, and get its parts annexed by other states. But that didn't happen.

Not to mention that Nazi Germany was actually doing an actual genocide. But that wasn't sufficient to warrant the same fate for them as a nation.

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HideousKojima 371 days ago
>But that didn't happen.

The latter part definitely did. See Konigsberg (now Kaliningrad, a Russian exclave) and all the parts of Germany that were ceded to Poland.

And the expulsion of ethnic Germans living in non-German lands across Europe postwar was certainly a form of ethnic cleansing, even if you believe it was justified to remove the justification Germany had for prewar annexations like the Sudetenland.

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