[andsoitis]

> The only manufacturer with heavily redacted information in that data to the point of being useless is Tesla.

The nice thing is we can look for ourselves to what extent that is true by downloading the CSV: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_In...

For example, in the case of BMW, in every single case the field for ADS/ADAS Version is either blank or redacted.

[ra7]

No serious analysis can be done when we can’t even tell if a crash occurred under FSD Supervised or Autopilot because they’re two very different things with different capabilities. Same with withholding software/hardware versions and narrative of events.

Tesla also has a problem of their telematics underreporting crashes. One of the reasons for that is they don’t consider it a crash if airbags don’t deploy. This was called out by the NHTSA in a prior investigation: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCR-EA22002-14496.pdf.

Here’s the relevant paragraph from that report:

> Gaps in Tesla's telematic data create uncertainty regarding the actual rate at which vehicles operating with Autopilot engaged are involved in crashes. Tesla is not aware of every crash involving Autopilot even for severe crashes because of gaps in telematic reporting. Tesla receives telematic data from its vehicles, when appropriate cellular connectivity exists and the antenna is not damaged during a crash, that support both crash notification and aggregation of fleet vehicle mileage. Tesla largely receives data for crashes only with pyrotechnic deployment, which are a minority of police reported crashes.

[jmpman]

One is a paid version where Tesla opts to drive safer, and if you don’t pay then Tesla is allowed to drive more dangerously? Seems like a jury would question why Tesla would allow a version that is known to be less safe.

[bumby]

Literally what Boeing did with their software upgrade to read the (already installed) second AOA indicator

[armsaw]

When I look at this data, I see the type of self driving in use, as well as the written narrative of every crash, along with several other fields as REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. To me, that information would be crucial to understanding what actually happened in each case, as opposed to only being able to understand some of the ambient conditions around each accident.

[andsoitis]

> REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated.

Not true. There are many rows for other manufacturers where fields are redacted or blank.

For example:

- Row 7. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: blank

- Row 8. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted

- Row 9. Subaru. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted

etc.

[armsaw]

Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception.

[andsoitis]

> Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception.

Again, not true.

I just filtered for BMW, and in every single instance, without fail, the ADS/ADAS Version cell is either redacted or blank.

I didn't check other manufacturers.

[zimpenfish]

Did a quick check and yeah, there's a lot of redaction/blanks in `ADAS/ADS System Version`

    Rpts RdBl  Pcage Entity
      48   12  25.00 Ford Motor Company
      18    6  33.33 Rivian Automotive, LLC
      10    4  40.00 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.
      29   12  41.38 Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC
      38   18  47.37 Lucid USA, Inc.
      27   15  55.56 Hyundai Motor America
      37   22  59.46 Kia America, Inc.
       6    4  66.67 APTIV
       6    5  83.33 Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
      12   10  83.33 Daimler Trucks North America, LLC
     159  156  98.11 Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
     126  124  98.41 Subaru of America, Inc.
    3003 3001  99.93 Tesla, Inc.
       1    1 100.00 Nuro
       2    2 100.00 Mazda North American Operations
       6    6 100.00 Chrysler (FCA US, LLC)
      71   71 100.00 BMW of North America, LLC

[genewitch]

7 manufacturers don't have that field populated with useful information. I consider 124 out of 126 reports redacted or blank to be close enough to "every single instance" for this argument, for example. Furthermore, over half have over half blank or redacted, and the lowest is 25% missing info.

I don't own nor do I want to own a Tesla, but stuff like this is what gets reported and the corrections or actual facts get buried in the resulting noise. I don't really even care that this is about tesla, even.

If this was some sort of rendering or CSV error on your part, then that could happen at CBS or msnbc just as easily, and tomorrow the headlines scream "Tesla only automaker shirking reporting responsibilities"